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Ah but how did we know he would join us.

Our strategy APPEARS to have been get him on our side and knowing he is coming and then leave him til july and try get 2 or even 3 others in at reasonable fees like salah for 28 mil or whatever.... next thing the whole van dijk stuff blows up... oh roma want 40mil now... ok... ****... the entire thing has exploded

Theres no point not knowing if he is willing to join us then going **** i need a cb in august is there?

Every club in europe talks to agents... southampton talk to agents.... the very thought that klopp and van dijk met in blackpool of all places is so silly its hilarious.

the right way to do business and the ethical way are two different things sadly. you ar saying do it ethically. I am saying we'd get eaten alive out there.... I'm not saying do what LFC have done cos clearly it was amateur hour.
This was one reason I was opposed to us paying that amount all along.
Ok, I get the fact that it's one big wodge of money going round like pass the parcel amongst the rich clubs, but once you show that you're willing to pay over the odds you get taken to the cleaners every time. Either you pay the inflated price or you don't get your man.
I'm interested in football, not Monopoly.
 
You have to remember its not pr for us its about player egos

these guys think they are god's gift and if they see one club saying really want you and then here comes lfc .. well we tried to get these 2 lads but they said stuff you so you are third best but come on its great?

who would you take more seriously?

HOW could one club "doing things right" stop the entire football world form top to bottom from ploughing on exactly as they do.

I can absolutely assure anyone that while southampton were complaining they were also talking to manager's agents round europe about their soon to be vacant position and their recruitment team is talking to players directly.

As are every other top 6 clubs recruitment teams. the formal bid is the very last thing thats done these days

I'm not saying that you're wrong in how this works, I'm saying that the whole process is wrong and you don't fix it by saying that's just how it is. Something has to change as once again money is ruining the game. Agents are the big problem.
 
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It really is nonsense. Quite unlike you.

Player turns down massive salary increase because club say that they won't let him break his contract on a whim. Looks for club that will pay him the same and agree that the contract can be used as bog roll when it suits the player.

Yeah.
Since when has this bothered anyone? Contracts these days are for nothing more than making sure you get a good price when you sell.
 
I've no problem with clubs trying to protect their assets, it's just the way an astronomical figure is plucked out of the air these days because they know most of the time someone will cough up.
As I said earlier, when I heard the £50m price tag on VvD weeks ago I thought it was crazy - constant repetition of it hasn't changed my mind.
 
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I've no problem with clubs trying to protect their assets, it's just the way an astronomical figure is plucked out of the air these days because they know most of the time someone will cough up.
As I said earlier, when I heard the £50m price tag on VvD weeks ago I thought it was crazy - constant repetition of it hasn't changed my mind.

As I said earlier, if we had bid and they turned us down and then announced what they want I think we would have walked away anyway.
 
I'm not saying that you're wrong in how this works, I'm saying that the whole process is wrong and you don't fix it by saying that's just how it is. Something has to change as once again money is ruining the game. Agents are the big problem.

sure but its not LFC's job nor southamptons job to fix it.

Nor is it the premier league.

frankly what is occurring is naivety at LFC in the form of michael "i don't know what i'm doing" edwards and jurgen "i'm a coach" klopp contacted a player in the same way as any club outside England would do and southampton decided to use the premier league rules

the reality is they can do what they did on van dijk with salah with total immunity.

the sad fact is theres to much of a gravy train for fifia and uefa to stop this happening.

The simple rules of the game are:

1. Contracts are contracts. you are legally obliged to fulfil one.

2. Rules outside that are private football rules and have zero standing legally really. If I want to head hunt a persons in a job you go contact them. quite simple .There is a little rule about timing to talk to someone.

a good example of this is Joel Matip. He was talked to virtually form the time Klopp was appointed and announced his signing on a free very early in that january. was there a complaint NOPE

Mcmanaman did the same to us. any grounds to complain ... nope

the fact is the only difference here is southampton didn't want to sell cos they know where they are going if they do.. down the pan. they have prob been the ones leaking higher after higher fees to put people off and as saints fans point out... they have a contract so don't need to sell

the FEAR is van dijk will pull a lovren next, refuse to play.. or slap in transfer request etc etc.. once city and cheslea were not showing real interest that left LFCto offer the 40 odd mil and southampton then lose power.

By complaining southampton have got a weak LFC recruitment staff to pony up a no interest line which means van dijk as the play for them and not pull that lovren move. thats all well and good but as I said next guy along won't be so quick to sign up.

Its like this:

southampton are not man utd. they can't afford to pull a de gea stunt cos they can't offer the mad wages or euope etc etc. they are not even spurs who pulled that modric ****e.

I'm fairly sure a deal will have to be done at some point quietly with van dijk now to ensure he plays his best for 12 months or whatever so he gets a move to wherever next year... but remember this is costing the player massive money. he is on about 65k a week and so is looking at about 130k a week loss.. over 12 months only thats 6.75mil (before tax)

the player could be very sore and his agent WILL be very sore. I think he will end up at city before the end of this window.


btw.. saints signed him for 13mil, gave him a new deal 8 months later and a pay rise under koeman and then koeman ****ed off. Maybe the player already felt jipped... who knows
 
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I've no problem with clubs trying to protect their assets, it's just the way an astronomical figure is plucked out of the air these days because they know most of the time someone will cough up.
As I said earlier, when I heard the £50m price tag on VvD weeks ago I thought it was crazy - constant repetition of it hasn't changed my mind.

IMo there was prob several additions to the fee by media

those of us watching saw that their current (and soon to be ex) manager was sent out to say not for sale before the season ended.

thats why when jimmy was talking fees etc etc I was thinking its safe just to play the game with jimmy for fun cos i felt no way southampto nwere selling at that.
 
Calling nonsense on that, they grab players from lower leagues so the initial wages they are offering are better than what they are on so they'll still go there.

Nope, career progression is a big part of players decisions, and PL club can give them relatively massive wages

Southampton just told everyone they better start demanding release clauses if they want to join them or sign an extension
 
I've no problem with clubs trying to protect their assets, it's just the way an astronomical figure is plucked out of the air these days because they know most of the time someone will cough up.
As I said earlier, when I heard the £50m price tag on VvD weeks ago I thought it was crazy - constant repetition of it hasn't changed my mind.
He's worth that amount in the current market.
 
Nope, career progression is a big part of players decisions, and PL club can give them relatively massive wages

Southampton just told everyone they better start demanding release clauses if they want to join them or sign an extension
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Since when has this bothered anyone? Contracts these days are for nothing more than making sure you get a good price when you sell.

nearly true

they are useful to the player when injured like sturridge.

Contracts are honoured when players are like sturrdige or balotelli and are powerful legal documents and commitments in both ways

They are also... well... exactly what you say. You pay a guy to have him for a while when he's young enough to be of high value.

In other words if a player thinks what you've said he is very naive and his agent is too.

De gea the prime example. His league cup and Europa league medals are great... but when real delivered la liga and CL.. and now he's stuck again with no option but to stay... well that contract better pony up the dough and he will have to be satisfied with the super cup given utd won't be able to win the major trophy that is the charity sheild next year :)



ofr me Van dijk was delighted to get an offer and didn't expect clubs in top 4 to want him that quick.
southampton knew exactly what they were doing putting a 6 year deal under his nose as it assured them of mega bucks for anyone to sign him

If i were him i'd be seriously questioning my agent cos the deal he signed was stupid and the dealing with LFC were clearly done badly.
 
Nope, career progression is a big part of players decisions, and PL club can give them relatively massive wages

Southampton just told everyone they better start demanding release clauses if they want to join them or sign an extension

So if they find a player from lets say Le Harve in France and they offer him PL wages, this player is going to start making demands? Nah, not happening.

Now in the case of VVD signing a new contract with Southampton while he is clearly one of the best players in the league and not having a release clause, yes that is naive and maybe the players at Southampton who are attracting attention from other clubs will from now on look to insert a buy out clause.
 
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IMo there was prob several additions to the fee by media

those of us watching saw that their current (and soon to be ex) manager was sent out to say not for sale before the season ended.

thats why when jimmy was talking fees etc etc I was thinking its safe just to play the game with jimmy for fun cos i felt no way southampto nwere selling at that.
Maybe. Journos have to write something and the more sensational the better. I rarely get involved in the transfer discussions because we never know what the truth is. I'm definitely in the wait-for-the-lean camp.
 
Maybe. Journos have to write something and the more sensational the better. I rarely get involved in the transfer discussions because we never know what the truth is. I'm definitely in the wait-for-the-lean camp.

deffo... its just when you get bored enough.. well you have to invent a game or two to play.

The will he won't he was a nice friendly one that the clubs just ruined.

I need a new game.