Hats off to a Millwall fan

[Whitejock]

I don't consider myself racist in normal times but these are not normal times. I wept on holiday for the kids in Manchester and had my morning coffee on Sunday in stony silence. I don't think it is racist to demand something is done about people who can hire a van and take a few knives and do the damage we saw on Saturday.

Right now I am all for deportation orders and extremely tight border controls if that will help. If that makes me racist then I'll accept the tag.

OLOF and LL's reference to WW3 don't sound sensationalist to me - they sound like people recognising we live in one of the most dangerous periods in history (not sensationalist). This is terrorism on an international scale - there is no enemy uniform to keep an eye out for, there are no boundaries with the targets they are prepared to attack and, as far as I can tell, the only end game for them is world domination.

The problem is, declaring WW3 is probably exactly what they want!!

And which particular attack would that have prevented? Doesn't work for UK citizens, which appears to be our biggest problem atm.

Now if we hadn't reduced the number of policemen by 20k, and had actually instead reallocated the resources to preventative anti-terrorism duties, that may well have helped, especially as it appears that some of these perpetrators were 'known' but 'low priority'. This is not an anti-tory barb - I'm quite sure a Labour government would not reinstate them. A new government rarely undoes whatever it railed against in opposition - the exception prolly being economic ideology.

Btw, I don't believe for a moment that you are racist. If anything, you're simply showing you're a big softie at heart (not an insult).

 

[Whitejock]

Teaching a muzzie to drive an artic,have to keep saying if you see people in front of you stop

Collaborating, eh?

 

[TC (Lovely Geezer)]

And which particular attack would that have prevented? Doesn't work for UK citizens, which appears to be our biggest problem atm.

Now if we hadn't reduced the number of policemen by 20k, and had actually instead reallocated the resources to preventative anti-terrorism duties, that may well have helped, especially as it appears that some of these perpetrators were 'known' but 'low priority'. This is not an anti-tory barb - I'm quite sure a Labour government would not reinstate them. A new government rarely undoes whatever it railed against in opposition - the exception prolly being economic ideology.

Btw, I don't believe for a moment that you are racist. If anything, you're simply showing you're a big softie at heart (not an insult).

True enough al started in 2009 by Labour!!

 

[Chippy / Glory]

True enough al started in 2009 by Labour!!

And finished by the tories every year since.

 

[Marcos Barber]

And which particular attack would that have prevented? Doesn't work for UK citizens, which appears to be our biggest problem atm.

Now if we hadn't reduced the number of policemen by 20k, and had actually instead reallocated the resources to preventative anti-terrorism duties, that may well have helped, especially as it appears that some of these perpetrators were 'known' but 'low priority'. This is not an anti-tory barb - I'm quite sure a Labour government would not reinstate them. A new government rarely undoes whatever it railed against in opposition - the exception prolly being economic ideology.

Btw, I don't believe for a moment that you are racist. If anything, you're simply showing you're a big softie at heart (not an insult).

Can't answer that and give you links and proof that you require for a proper debate but can say with some certainty, if we do nothing, don't expect anything to change.

Was the Manchester bombers dad not fighting in Syria or somewhere? By expelling the known extremists and stopping them coming back or making it harder for new ones to arrive, we may at least cut off the next generation of arseholes that want to bomb us and our children rather than saying they are British because they were born here so let's house them and educate them and wait for them to hate us!

 

[MIGHTY]

Can't answer that and give you links and proof that you require for a proper debate but can say with some certainty, if we do nothing, don't expect anything to change.

Was the Manchester bombers dad not fighting in Syria or somewhere? By expelling the known extremists and stopping them coming back or making it harder for new ones to arrive, we may at least cut off the next generation of arseholes that want to bomb us and our children rather than saying they are British because they were born here so let's house them and educate them and wait for them to hate us!

interesting read They never once let him out of their sight yet the eyeties have nowhere near the resources you have back there
and you cant say you were not warned
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...italian-officials-wrote-to-uk-says-prosecutor

 

[Whitejock]

True enough al started in 2009 by Labour!!

Actually no, as I posted before, a 31% increase 2001-10, and net 18% drop since. Academic, as I don't believe Labour would reinstate, given opposition record

Can't answer that and give you links and proof that you require for a proper debate but can say with some certainty, if we do nothing, don't expect anything to change.

Was the Manchester bombers dad not fighting in Syria or somewhere? By expelling the known extremists and stopping them coming back or making it harder for new ones to arrive, we may at least cut off the next generation of arseholes that want to bomb us and our children rather than saying they are British because they were born here so let's house them and educate them and wait for them to hate us!

Snigger! I see what you did there.

I don't have the answers. In fact no-one does. There are definitely things that should be done, there's no doubt about that. But no-one knows exactly what will or won't work yet. Remember, it's not just a UK problem. No other country has a successful plan yet either.

Not so sure I agree about the father / son thing. It's like saying that just because a father (or any other relative) is into something, the rest of the family should be punished for it too. So for instance, if a guy bottles someone in a pub & gets jailed, does that mean his whole family should be jailed? Perhaps not the best example, but a reasonable stop:think off the top of my head. Indeed, taking the action you describe might actually radicalise others in the neighbourhood who are unrelated & until that event, not inclined to be violent.

Perhaps it's time to being back gladitorial combat. EDL v ISIS at Wembley. Chuck 'em in the middle, 100 at a time, & give them blunt instruments. Last man standing gets a pardon.