Thought i read somewhere similar to that but couldn't find it when i went back just that some people were having a dig at United (after the youth vs no youth argument) that lingard was pretty old (SURPRISINGLY!) and being paid 100k to be a squad player. I think that's where football is headed though for the teams in the top 6 so i can't see how that is such a big dig. That's a pretty good return. I don't blame the lad for leaving Chelsea in search for first team football. However it's a bit of a joke that he's going to Liverpool when he had other teams... Even the newspaper is reporting that he is going to be in the under 23 squad and you are hardly the model club for bringing through young attacking talent (maybe sterling in the last decade?).
No offence but i'm not counting that. he might be the next big thing (see Ibe, Ojo, Sinclair, Pacheco, Suso etc etc) but hes had about 90 minutes in the league. Even Chelsea this season have given more to their youth and i would say we are probably the worse club in giving our youth a chance (zouma, ake, Chalobah).
in fairness I had this debate til i was blue in the face and you told me that any young lad should take the money.. this was about the nobody up in rangers who you offered money to yeah? we now this chump got offered money to join LFC and he's taken it
in other words they went... oh you are joining spurs... hung up then got onto their tame journo to put this out. cue story that the lad is going to spurs within 2 hours.
lol we had this argument. I'd advocate him taking the money . but, he's on 20k at Liverpool (Great money for anyone really). Would he really get more money at Liverpool than moneybags Chelsea? I'm not sure. So the question is why is he moving to Liverpool? If it's to progress and play regular football at top level competion, then i think he's made the wrong move to go to liverpool and that's where my criticism is . Especially since Klopp has said he's being dumped in the under 23's, you only play one striker and you have about 4 players ahead of him in your team ahead of him (origi, sturridge, firmino, probably woodburn, probably Ings)
“My conscience tells me that if, for example, Baker, Brown, and Solanke are not national team players in a few years, I should blame myself,” Mourinho said. where are baker and brown now bobby.... my info is bakers been stuck in arhem for 2 years and is not 22 and brown was at huddersfield last year.... whats the difference bobby between your ****e and ours? Danny Ward or Ryan kent or Ojo or wilson etc... You might have bought off vitesse to dump your lot into but the strike rate for cheslea youth is worse even than ours.
so you pay kids a mil a year to do nothing... ok then. Frankly if you'd seen the state of our u23 set up and the philosphy klopp has you'd not be so quick. Ings... forget it. think u23s. LFC have brooks lennon and several wingers. so he's got a clear role there to bed into. Then you say theres 4 ahead of him for one striker role... Woodbrun is not a striker. Ings is toast, sturrdige may well leave and that leaves 2 before we buy. Its up to him to impress klopp however if i were him..... well ... unless he's just that **** hot... i'd have looked for championship football and played an scored goals.
I'm not sure what your point is here? That we're both **** or that we are more **** with youth? I'm guessing the latter (if its the former apologies). Danny Ward is the keeper who played for Huddersfield? Brown for us just played for reading? so at the same level then No idea where Ryan Kent is. Ojo is rotting on your bench and no idea about Wilson. Sinclair is rotting at Watford. Ibe is doing f all at bournemouth. (We are talking about young players bought in right since Ward was), Let me present you with lukaku, KDB and Courtois who are smashing it at top clubs whereas you guys only really have Sterling to show for yours. I'm not going to say Chelsea do a good job at bringing through their youth but all i'm saying is Liverpool are hardly better.
Klopp has shown in the past he will play the youth players if they are good enough at dortmund. I don't think he has necessarily done this though in the past season and a half. We will see if this is through necessity (Dortmund don't really have the bucks you do) but i guess we'll see . I'm happy to wager though that Solanke won't get the games at Liverpool which is where this came from and why i'm questioning why hes taking the big money from Pool over Chelsea (although it could be chelsea weren't willing to pay enough).
I agree, I hope that with TAA and Woodburn that we have 2 who are able to step up they certainly look capable of it but as you pointed out we have been here before.
What I hope happens with some of our younger lads is that they get to play in cups next season alongside seasoned pros and not in a team full of young lads like last season. I hope Klopp learned that lesson.
what makes you think he's got decent youth to play here???? Seriously. he's debuted a massive amount and set some of them clear goals to get a sniff. Perfect example is ojo. Lad got a few games last year in cups when europa was on and then got injured. He's basically been told by klopp that if he wants to play he needs to actually run full pelt when playing u23s not jogging about. in other words he needs to play like he's playing a first team game. thus far... no ojo near LFC sneior team. contrasting example: alexander arnold. given debut. told exactly the same. Kid goes back to u23s and smashes it up. He's made a spot for himself on our bench as a result. the issue at anfield is this: GK u23? ward sent to hudderfield to learn. a couple young lads but none really good enough Rb: TAA to firsts LB, none are up to it. not one CB: ditto. Brewiit is ok but he's not at the level CM: we've released adam phillips this summer, injuries.. none of the rest really up to it. Ejaria is a signing and he's done "ok" Yan Dhana is ok but again has an awful lot to do. Woodburn is a no 10. Wings: wilson, ojo all got a little time St: Rhian Brewster is the one affected by solanke arriving imo. he is 17. Its not like the LFC u23s is a conveyor belt really. theres players klopp has plucked out and borught to senior squad to develop finally... Look at sturridge. Left city very similarly and went to cheslea. Cheslea loaned him to bolton then sold him. Could be this guy is thinking LFC, 2 years, yeah why not few cup games her and there, maybe get a loan out in january then to some champ side and i'll be set for a move then. Who knows.
my point is you don't bring youth through period. why he left. he saw zero chance where is is. Danny ward played euros for wales (group game) and all season in champioship so for a guy we signed as a kid he's not done too bad. Kent went to barnsely. played ok Ojo is not rotting on any bench. he's not even making one. He got a back injury and lost the year but as i said klopp's told him to actually work like its a senior game not piss about cos its easy u23 game Wilson socred 30 odd in u23s last year and is in wales squad. looks a bit kiddie to me and needs to grow up but at 20... not much time. Sinclair was a signing who thought he was it and chose to move so we let him on. Ibe... brain dead. lots of talent but again a signing. Just shows zero game intelligence and final delivery. hhuge talent at his disposal. 15mil was ace fee. The real point is not big signings you made but kids bought at 14/15 or players from age 8. they were all falling in this category. you can throw in your big money talent hoovering system all you like...
You could say the same for Chelsea: Lukaku, KDB, Patrick Van Aanholt, Courtois, Scott Sinclair off the top of my head who have been loaned out and then play/played at a high level. That isn't the same as Chelsea bringing them through properly though. Now TAA might make it as he had some great appearances, but right now he's a backup player to the Liverpool team. I would argue he isn't even used rotationally, only in games Klopp deem unimportant or if Clyne is injured. A space on the reserves bench isn't really great for his development (yet but he has only burst onto the scene). We consistently have Ake, Chalobah, Zouma Ruben Loftus Cheek on the bench in our supposedly world class squad. They aren't getting much time though and i don't think that is helping their development.
All these players you are mentioning, Danny Ward, Ojo, Wilson, you are naming as having developed as you are loaning them out. You could say the same for Chelsea and the masses of youth we buy when they are 15/16/17. You haven't developed in them playing in your team, if you are counting them having developed cause you sent them away and they are doing well then i'm sorry, Chelsea are up there in youth development then. Traore, Ake, Chalobah, Bamford all got games consistently and did okay/well at clubs on their loans. Now they are "breaking" into the first team or far more developed than when they first joined Chelsea if i was to use your same reasoning
I would have to again point out lukaku 10mil fee KDB 7mil Courtois 9mil? Sinclair ok 750k theres a few young lads now but that's not mega fee players I really don't know what your point is in trashing an 18 year old like that. TAA is after making a break through season when there were limited extra games for him and did well. What is your point. If a first team player is there he will always play? maybe at cheslea... TAA gets u23 games if he doesn't play and is gaining experience training with firsts.. really simple. You just have been indoctrinated into the cheslea buy them laon them sell them model. Oh and zouma cost you 12mil.. he got injured. **** happens at least chalobah and loftus cheek are real youth developments. .. ake you took at 15 from feynoord. Every young player must wait their chance and grab it. Its very clear woodburn is not ready for first team in prem. He's not physically up to it. TAA is thats why he's getting more opportunities.
I'm saying KLOPP GAVE THEM A CHANCE. THAT'S ALL COS YOU SAID KLOPP DOESN'T GIVE PLAYERS A CHANCE LIKE AT DORTMUND. All i'm saying is where a guy was any good he got a chance. we simply don't have that many who are good enough. The simple fact is you are saying solanke won't get a chance and i'm pointing out theres a huge opportunity for him to slot right into u23 and be first in line for a game in league cup and then he can stake his claim. Pretty simple.
I'm not trashing an 18 year old at all. He's done well and he looks like one for the future. As to him being close to a first teamer when hes had: 1 start 90 mins, 1 sub appearance of 45 mins 1 at 17 minutes 1 at 12 minutes 3 at 1 minute i'm saying he's very far away from even being a rotation squad player and is at most a backup player. His big minute appearances is due to clyne being injured more than him being a rotational player. If this is what constitutes of having developed a player then Chelsea have just as many. Thats not to say he won't go on to become a massive player for you but just at this current time, he's done F all like Ibe (granted Ibe actually got quite a lot of time and it's not particularly liverpools fault in this instance, TAA hasn't yet). You were the one that brought up players who were bought in. Danny Ward was bought from Wrexham at 17 and it was you who used him as an example . At the end of the day, we were debating Solanke moving for first team opportunities which Liverpool haven't really been doling out recently. If by youth team developement meant loaning him out to other clubs to play then he would probably do as well at Chelsea as he does at Liverpool. This is what my criticism was.
