Match Day Thread Saints V Stoke City Sunday 21st May 3pm

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St Badger said:
Just taken a small part of your post.
The question that needs to be asked is whether or not they are rigidly sticking to a formation or just choosing not to rove.
Part of the reason for us being easy to defend against is because we are often too structured, with the same players making the same runs, in the same areas, with little variation, allowing the opposition to set up to cancel us out.
One moment, during the Utd game comes to mind.
Mata had the ball near the Utd right touch line.
He played a simple ball inside, then as the ball was processed over to the opposite touch line, he made a diagonal run across the pitch, giving Utd an extra man on that side of the pitch, that caused us a bit of panic.
We don't seem to have any players prepared to run into areas you don't expect them to be in, which helps makes us so predictable.
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Yep. I think that illustrates our problem well. It's the old confidence thing. Unconfident players get rid of the ball and hide. Confident players pass the ball and then constantly look to get it back to keep the move flowing. Movement around the pitch makes it more difficult to predict. Todays more impressive moves from Saints were still predictable in a chess like way. Stephens would pass it to Romeu who would find JWP or Davis. They would either pass to Redmond/ Bertand on one side or Tadic / Cedric on the other. They would overlap and look to get a cross in. If they failed, it went back to the centre backs - sometimes the keeper. By the time they did get a cross in, there were far more Stoke players than Saints players and they found the crosses easy to defend. Just no imagination really. But increasingly in recent games, it does not even get that far. Passes go astray or players get caught in possession. Confidence drops further.
 
fatletiss said:
You can if the bloke is pissed off and is just counting down the days.
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And if that is true, he was right to be boo'd.

One should always be professional.

He selected the subs!

Fans have a right to moan and also be vocal, but not be rude or stuff like that.

I also think it is right if he goes, inexcusable performances and results, and zero goals in the last five home matches doesn't really need much explaining.
 
Saints Fan4Life said:
What would you have done, with the options on the bench (yes, he could have selected others on the bench, but wasnt an option at that point)? And don't say Gabbi-Austin up front cos there was no way Austin was playing 90min.
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Then he should have reversed it so he had that option. Friggin simple. It wasn't an absolute requirement to play Charlie 1st especially if he wasn't capable of playing 90. And that did restrict CP's options. He should ofd realised that but maybe 2x strikers never figgers for him. Just saying.
 
Brixham Saint said:
I couldn't really make out most of the songs as I sit down the Chapel end, but god there was a very annoying woman near me, screeching for most of the second half at how rubbish we are bla bla bla. I did turn round to say that "obviously you haven't been watching saints for many a year, as there has been a lot worse " , to which her reply was "I pay my money, if I want to boo etc, I will ". COYR
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She didn't have red hair did she?
 
garysfc said:
Then he should have reversed it so he had that option. Friggin simple. It wasn't an absolute requirement to play Charlie 1st especially if he wasn't capable of playing 90. And that did restrict CP's options. He should ofd realised that but maybe 2x strikers never figgers for him. Just saying.
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The reason Charlie, & then Gabbi, were so isolated up front was because it was Tadic's job to get in the box and support them; something Boufal did at least try to do when he came on. Redmond could arguably have been attacking the box more, but had to keep covering for a disinterested Bertrand.

Who plays two out and out strikers up top nowadays? ****ing no one, that's who. (except maybe Sam Allardyce, who got booed for it at West Ham). There's a reason for that. It's static and predictable (yeah, I know, irony alert) & it leaves you overrun in midfield. Which is why it only works with an up-and-under long ball game.
 
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tiggermaster said:
PLEASE, I've only read the last hour of comment, but if you think Saints were good today then you are deluded! Add to this that when 1-0 down our 'coach' replaced like with like to play the same system, this beggars belief. Get you head round no goals at home for months, no plan 2, no idea.. good players.. hamstrung. Ask yourselves where the problem is... There are thousands who can see it .... that's why there are negative vibes.. I'm sat in the Guide Dog at 7.00pm tonight and I can't find anyone who disagrees with this analysis....
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I was on the train
 
Archers Road said:
The reason Charlie, & then Gabbi, were so isolated up front was because it was Tadic's job to get in the box and support them; something Boufal did at least try to do when he came on. Redmond could arguably have been attacking the box more, but had to keep covering for a disinterested Bertrand.

Who plays two out and out strikers up top nowadays? ****ing no one, that's who. (except maybe Sam Allardyce, who got booed for it at West Ham). There's a reason for that. It's static and predictable (yeah, I know, irony alert) & it leaves you overrun in midfield. Which is why it only works with an up-and-under long ball game.
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My last post of the season should appropriately be to a poster who always speaks sense. Keep the faith.
I'm taking a 606 holiday till next season and a big thanks to all that have maintained a positive and or constructively critical attitude.

Thanks and good night <cheers>
 
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Archers Road said:
The reason Charlie, & then Gabbi, were so isolated up front was because it was Tadic's job to get in the box and support them; something Boufal did at least try to do when he came on. Redmond could arguably have been attacking the box more, but had to keep covering for a disinterested Bertrand.

Who plays two out and out strikers up top nowadays? ****ing no one, that's who. (except maybe Sam Allardyce, who got booed for it at West Ham). There's a reason for that. It's static and predictable (yeah, I know, irony alert) & it leaves you overrun in midfield. Which is why it only works with an up-and-under long ball game.
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Then CP got it absolutely right!

Edit: My point was really about having more offensive options. I said in an earlier post where's Josh? Any good, dont know but once CP started with Charlie & played his Gabbi, Boufal hand we / he had nothing else - and please dont harp on about Peid - he's hardly played, certainly not in that position (for us). Ps. I think he's been brilliant this year - posting & looks a good utility / squad player.

What about; with the idea this might be a very important game for CP & SFC's future?, skipping the bench keeper & having another available offensive player?

Regardless, season's done now & CP's future will be decided by the board with some (probably little) influence from the fans; yes, the good ones & the "bad" ones. Personally I dont care either way now. I've been very disappointed by Saints recently (overall performance & tactical awareness) & want better (MO). If CP's stays at least we've got manager continuity & if he goes, I bloody well hope the board get the right appointment this time.
 
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fatletiss said:
Yes every club has them but in one way does that mean we should just have to accept it.
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Live with it I suppose. These are the same people that will go to their kids games and shout abuse.

Can we do anything about terrorism? Not really, maybe we breed it through actions. I've got to the point that it's a way of life. Nothing I can do as individual will do anything.
 
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garysfc said:
Then CP got it absolutely right!

Edit: My point was really about having more offensive options. I said in an earlier post where's Josh? Any good, dont know but once CP started with Charlie & played his Gabbi, Boufal hand we / he had nothing else - and please dont harp on about Peid - he's hardly played, certainly not in that position (for us). Ps. I think he's been brilliant this year - posting & looks a good utility / squad player.

What about; with the idea this might be a very important game for CP & SFC's future?, skipping the bench keeper & having another available offensive player?

Regardless, season's done now & CP's future will be decided by the board with some (probably little) influence from the fans; yes, the good ones & the "bad" ones. Personally I dont care either way now. I've been very disappointed by Saints recently (overall performance & tactical awareness) & want better (MO). If CP's stays at least we've got manager continuity & if he goes, I bloody well hope the board get the right appointment this time.
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No keeper on the bench? Hell no!
 
I think we have a right to know how Ollie got on yesterday in the final. Of course it may already have been posted, but I can't be arsed to go back through all the whinging and moaning to find it.
Off to Ireland in a week or so - rather looking forward to that first foaming pint in Dublin.
Have a good summer all .... :cool:
 
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