Off Topic Politics Thread

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Archers Road said:
So you think our economy is doing well? Certainly doesn't feel like it. Unless of course you own considerable assets, in which case your personal wealth will have been growing exponentially for the last decade. That doesn't help everyone though, and it certainly won't help the majority of under 30s unless they stand to inherit, in which case good luck to them waiting for us old 'uns (the ones who, by cruel irony, voted for Brexit) to die off.

Look, I'm not trying to say the state of the UK's economy is all George Osbourne's fault, and I don't really think you believe it's all Tony Blair's fault. I am, however, happy to argue that the Tory's reputation for economic competence is not borne out by the facts.

Furthermore, the fallacy that Labour gets into power, overspends, and leaves the Tories to clear up the mess, is exactly that; a fallacy. As is the belief that the correct response to a prolonged recession is to cut back on public spending; in fact cutting public spending during a recession is arguably the worst thing you can possibly do.
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I am not saying it is doing well. I am saying it is doing well compared to other Western democracies. The world isn't doing too well and if everybody isn't doing too well then it is much harder to achieve good growth.

My point is that we have done better than virtually all Western democracies since the crash in terms of growth. Germany is still talked about as "the pinnacle" yet we have outperformed them growthwise and if the forecasts are right they will only match us in 2018 and not this year either.
 
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ImpSaint said:
I am not saying it is doing well. I am saying it is doing well compared to other Western democracies. The world isn't doing too well and if everybody isn't doing too well then it is much harder to achieve good growth.

My point is that we have done better than virtually all Western democracies since the crash in terms of growth. Germany is still talked about as "the pinnacle" yet we have outperformed them growthwise and if the forecasts are right they will only match us in 2018 and not this year either.
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Not much point outperforming other economies if only the already wealthy are benefitting, which appears to be the case at the moment.

Stagnating wages, rising house prices, & now a falling pound pushing up inflation.

We have nurses forced to use food banks, we have libraries and swimming pools closing, schools laying off teachers. We have a workforce more insecure and worse paid after 7 years of this very slowly growing GDP, so who is the economy serving?
 
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Archers Road said:
Not much point outperforming other economies if only the already wealthy are benefitting, which appears to be the case at the moment.

Stagnating wages, rising house prices, & now a falling pound pushing up inflation.

We have nurses forced to use food banks, we have libraries and swimming pools closing, schools laying off teachers. We have a workforce more insecure and worse paid after 7 years of this very slowly growing GDP, so who is the economy serving?
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And if the Tories get back in, the amount spent on the NHS will drop to 6.7% of the GDP, currently around 8%. That would mean we spend less on the health of our population than any other developed country in the world. Shameful.
 
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- Doing The Lambert Walk said:
Right, I just watched PM May's interviews with Marr and Peston. What do people find impressive about her?

Is it literally just that she ISN'T Jeremy Corbyn? She's awfully hard to relate to - very robotic.

<laugh>

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...edulous-as-journalist-asks-question?CMP=fb_gu
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The only Tory worth supporting is Ken Clarke. If they heed the advice of Heseltine, Clarke, Major and even Hague whose advice are the listening to? Ah, Rupert Murdoch and the fascist sympathisers of the Daily Express!!
 
- Doing The Lambert Walk said:
Right, I just watched PM May's interviews with Marr and Peston. What do people find impressive about her?

Is it literally just that she ISN'T Jeremy Corbyn? She's awfully hard to relate to - very robotic.

<laugh>

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...edulous-as-journalist-asks-question?CMP=fb_gu
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As TheSecondStain notes, yes, that's it.

Bloody crazy reason to elect someone but thats how it's panning out.

Q What are the Tories going to do about housing for working people
A Strong and Stable leadership is what is required

Q How will the Tories protect the vunerable members of society
A Through Strong and Stable leadership

Q How will we win the Eurovision song contest and find a killer partner for Gabbiadini
A By using Strong and Stable leadership

Even the media are taking the pish of the "catchphrase" now but with Labour faffing around, Ukip playing favourite racist and the Lib-Dems worrying if slightly homophobic is ok we are doomed to an elitist party rogering us big time.
 
greensaint said:
As TheSecondStain notes, yes, that's it.

Bloody crazy reason to elect someone but thats how it's panning out.

Q What are the Tories going to do about housing for working people
A Strong and Stable leadership is what is required

Q How will the Tories protect the vunerable members of society
A Through Strong and Stable leadership

Q How will we win the Eurovision song contest and find a killer partner for Gabbiadini
A By using Strong and Stable leadership

Even the media are taking the pish of the "catchphrase" now but with Labour faffing around, Ukip playing favourite racist and the Lib-Dems worrying if slightly homophobic is ok we are doomed to an elitist party rogering us big time.
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Tbh, Greensaint, I am trying to get my head round to voting for Corbyn's Labour Party. There's no way I can vote Tory. They are not even remotely on the radar. It's between the Liberals, Labour and maybe even the Greens, whoever is the strongest candidate in my constituency to see off a Tory [which isn't going to happen in Romsey and Southampton North]. We can but try.
 
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TheSecondStain said:
Tbh, Greensaint, I am trying to get my head round to voting for Corbyn's Labour Party. There's no way I can vote Tory. They are not even remotely on the radar. It's between the Liberals, Labour and maybe even the Greens, whoever is the strongest candidate in my constituency to see off a Tory [which isn't going to happen in Romsey and Southampton North]. We can but try.
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It'll have to be Labour for me as I can't see the Liberals challenging the Tories in Southampton Test.
 
Saints_Alive said:
But they were shouting their reasons for it, mainly saving the NHS, schools and other public services, so in a way they were shouting for a different direction for the country.
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I'm not doubting the motive, just my personal preference would be for it to be presented positively rather than a negative campaign. It can be done.
 
TheSecondStain said:
Tbh, Greensaint, I am trying to get my head round to voting for Corbyn's Labour Party. There's no way I can vote Tory. They are not even remotely on the radar. It's between the Liberals, Labour and maybe even the Greens, whoever is the strongest candidate in my constituency to see off a Tory [which isn't going to happen in Romsey and Southampton North]. We can but try.
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You don't have to vote for Corbyn's Labour Party. You can research the values and personal manifesto of your local candidates, and vote for whichever of those candidates most closely reflects your own outlook and interests, and will best represent your constituency in Parliament.

I won't be voting for Jeremy Corbyn on 8th June (although if I lived in his constituency I probably would). But I will be voting for Labour MP Catherine West, who lists Funding for Schools, opposing the hardest of Brexits, Housing for Working People, and Protection for Refugees (particularly child refugees) among her priorities.
 
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- Doing The Lambert Walk said:
Right, I just watched PM May's interviews with Marr and Peston. What do people find impressive about her?

Is it literally just that she ISN'T Jeremy Corbyn? She's awfully hard to relate to - very robotic.

<laugh>

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...edulous-as-journalist-asks-question?CMP=fb_gu
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Mrs May has less charisma than John Major. :emoticon-0113-sleep
Jeremy Corbyn comes across as a man who is too decent and too honest to be a politician. If he had a more forceful persona, I don't think the election would have been risked.
He has been putting forward a lot of good ideas, for the lower paid and working class, and I fully expect the Tories to hijack a few of them, claim them as their own, but deliver a watered down version that benefits no one in real terms.
And isn't it time the Tories stopped harping on about how they "inherited a bankrupt country from the Labour Party" and finally admit that the problem was caused by the global banking failure.
I can't remember his name, but I am sure I have read that the advisor to Gideon Osborne is on record as saying that the Labour Party was not at fault, so why continue with the lie.
 
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St Badger said:
Mrs May has less charisma than John Major. :emoticon-0113-sleep
Jeremy Corbyn comes across as a man who is too decent and too honest to be a politician. If he had a more forceful persona, I don't think the election would have been risked.
He has been putting forward a lot of good ideas, for the lower paid and working class, and I fully expect the Tories to hijack a few of them, claim them as their own, but deliver a watered down version that benefits no one in real terms.
And isn't it time the Tories stopped harping on about how they "inherited a bankrupt country from the Labour Party" and finally admit that the problem was caused by the global banking failure.
I can't remember his name, but I am sure I have read that the advisor to Gideon Osborne is on record as saying that the Labour Party was not at fault, so why continue with the lie.
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Just seen this posted on Facebook, from 2014.

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...sible-crash-bank-england-governor-mervyn-king
 
Archers Road said:
You don't have to vote for Corbyn's Labour Party. You can research the values and personal manifesto of your local candidates, and vote for whichever of those candidates most closely reflects your own outlook and interests, and will best represent your constituency in Parliament.

I won't be voting for Jeremy Corbyn on 8th June (although if I lived in his constituency I probably would). But I will be voting for Labour MP Catherine West, who lists Funding for Schools, opposing the hardest of Brexits, Housing for Working People, and Protection for Refugees (particularly child refugees) among her priorities.
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No, I quite understand that Archers, but that's how the Labour Party are being portrayed and that's the choice people are making. My eldest brother asked me earlier this evening how I could vote for a party that would give up our nuclear deterrent option [Corbyn's values]. Well, I find that I can, as it doesn't want to give up on governing for the vast majority of its people. Besides, Germany have done well enough, without a nuclear deterrent, I would suggest.
 
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