Pleased for Hughton, hope he does well in the Premier league. He gave us some good times and that's what I choose to remember, plus technically he didn't relegate us, we were 5pts clear when he was sacked 
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I hope Brighton are relegated with the lowest points total in the history of the Premier League
Yes, you would I hope Brighton are relegated with the lowest points total in the history of the Premier League
Sorry Melchy, but now you are sounding stupid, he hasn´t wronged anyone´s club. Ok so wronged may be the wrong expression, but he came in and did his best. His best in tandem with our incompetent board was not good enough. In fact it was pretty damned ****. He came in, did the best job he could, under at times, very difficult circumstances. Following the ´Messiah´ was always going to be impossible. Not if he had tried to play football and actually inproved the team or squad. From day one, he was being compared, and compared unfavourably, with Lambert, that he lasted the pace as long as he did, is a miracle imo. It was no miracle, it was utter incompetence from the board. At times, yes, the football his teams dished up was dull, dour and boring, but as Dave pointed out, the fans had a big part to play in that. Now who's sounding stupid, he waved a white flag and stuffed 11 men behind the ball not the fans, fairly sure that was the last thing we wanted and heaped more pressure on him. If anyone can be accused of wronging ´your´ club, it´s those who appointed the novice Adams to take over. On that we can definitely agree People seem to forget, that when Hughton was sacked, we were still 5 pts clear of the relegation places with 6 to play. No we don't, we are just certain he had lost them all already, we were tailspinning without fight and the only reason it was the wrong decision to sack him even so late was to give him a get out of jail, he and deluded folk such as yourself can suppose he might/may/would have saved us. Just no, whether its because the team were beat, he'd lost them or that the fans were by then poison. He had no chance! If that is deemed to be the right time to make a change, and the intention is to try and stay in the PL, then you don´t replace an experienced manager with someone like that. What that did, was throw in the towel without a fight. As I say the towel had been thrown, when Delia at al kept him on past Xmas, Feb, March take your pick every training session, match or minute he remained at the club was a concession of our fate. I'm not arguing that the board did then the stupidest thing possible, but hootun was crap for us in my opinion.
Would you give Roeder a round of applause if he returned? I guess you must like failure and bad football?
Bah!
...and go out of the FA cup at home to a non league team ..
I´ ve made the points I wanted to make Melchy, and haven´t much to add. As have I and nor do I. As gandy implied, Hughton is the one who's come out smelling of roses, not NCFC, he´s gone on to better things, we´ve gone on to worse. Is it not a bit early to make that statement? We followed it with a promotion, a relegation and a top half finish. Hootun over that same period has only just reached the PL. So I'd call that evens over the period since his departure. At this point in time yes he is fairing better, but I would not bet against Brighton falling straight back down. Make of that what you will, but that suggests strongly to me, that any fault/weakness in the chemistry between Hughton and Norwich lies (or rather lay) just as much, if not more, with Norwich City and its fans, than with Hughton himself. I'm not saying there are no problems with our basket case board, players and club in general. Some fans are certainly a bit to quick to criticise, but with Hootun I believe he deserved it and brought it upon himself. Like I've said before i thought he was a sound appointment, it just looked a wrong fit long before our board finally caved to the inevitable need to sack him. Especially when you consider that he has had nothing but success, everywhere else he has been. Time will tell if he can do it in the PL. Been there twice, been sacked twice if that is success?
As regards to your Roeder question. I think I probably would, yes, if for no other reason, than pure courtesy. I think you might be on your own there! It´s got nothing to do with whether he dished up good or bad football, I´d do the same for Gunn and Adams too,That is so not the same. Failed managers, yes. But bonefide legends from their playing days who were also less than average. They were all part of our history, and like every other manager we´ve had, they did their bit, however small that might be. Certainly far less childish and petty than hurling abuse at them. I never said I would hurl abuse at any of them, I just can't understand why anyone would extend any further courtessy than they would a stranger, when they have left predominantly negative memories?
Bah!
This thread sums up Football generally. The only people who have real knowledge of the game are those who have earned a living out of it for many years. Fans, like me, have strong opinions but know sod all about the game. The facts, record and the opinion of those ' in the know ' state that Hughton is a good Manager so he is - end of story! I don't like Allardyce and many fans don't rate Pulis and didn't like Ferguson but the facts, record and opinion of 'those in the know' state that they are - end of story! I recall that fan pressure led to the sacking of Hughton and the appointments of Adams and Gunn - sums it up nicely.
Yes,1950, 'fan pressure' has a lot to answer for, but that 'pales into insignificance' when compared to what foreign owners do!!!This thread sums up Football generally. The only people who have real knowledge of the game are those who have earned a living out of it for many years. Fans, like me, have strong opinions but know sod all about the game. The facts, record and the opinion of those ' in the know ' state that Hughton is a good Manager so he is - end of story! I don't like Allardyce and many fans don't rate Pulis and didn't like Ferguson but the facts, record and opinion of 'those in the know' state that they are - end of story! I recall that fan pressure led to the sacking of Hughton and the appointments of Adams and Gunn - sums it up nicely.
Yes,1950, 'fan pressure' has a lot to answer for, but that 'pales into insignificance' when compared to what foreign owners do!!!
Look at Birmingham - they were comfortably in the top 6 i believe, the owners decided to sack Rowett and now they are in SERIOUS danger of relegation.
Also, look at Wolves - a Chinese takeaway/takeover, spent a small fortune (for a Championship club) on a striker and have only just avoided relegation.
For every Leicester, there's a Blackburn/Portsmouth!!
Couldn't agree more which is why I always say to the ' get rid of Delia lot ' - be careful what you wish for!Yes,1950, 'fan pressure' has a lot to answer for, but that 'pales into insignificance' when compared to what foreign owners do!!!
Look at Birmingham - they were comfortably in the top 6 i believe, the owners decided to sack Rowett and now they are in SERIOUS danger of relegation.
Also, look at Wolves - a Chinese takeaway/takeover, spent a small fortune (for a Championship club) on a striker and have only just avoided relegation.
For every Leicester, there's a Blackburn/Portsmouth!!
All Managers get the sack including those mentioned in my post - usually the result of owners and/or fans who expect too much too quick. When I said involved in the game I meant 20 years or so as a player/Manager/Coach in the professional game not the amateur game or, as with our Board, spectating. If an enthusiastic DIY friend tells you to do a job one way and A builder with 30 years experience advises you to do something completely different who do you believe?I recall that fan pressure came because he was not cutting the mustard. No doubt he is a decent manager, but he has a long way to go before he should be mentioned in the same breath as; Allardyce, Pulis or even more so Ferguson. He has had roughly 2 1/4 seasons in charge in the top flight and been sacked twice. Lots left to prove before he can be thought of as better than a good second tier manager. And fan pressure didn't ask for the appointment of Gunn or Adams, meerly that their incompetent predacessors got removed. Our board prove that you can be involved in football for 20 odd years and still seemingly know next to feck all.
On the other hand, I think you sell many fans short or thankfully not all fans are like you! Many fans through their passion for the game know a lot about football. Many have played it for years, many have read tactical analysis and coaching material. Some have managed or coached amateur teams and all of these people can have plenty of real insight. Lets not ignore the jobs for the boys culture within football, I would contend that there are plenty of not entirely brilliant people within football making a living out of it who really could be replaced by your slightly more educated fan and things would improve.
I'm not saying I am one of those, I'm more like you, I'll just shout my load ill informed opinion loader if challenged!
Bah!
Absolutely and whilst I would like to see D&M step aside .....You can add Leyton Orient to that list, this time next year they may not even exist !![]()
All Managers get the sack including those mentioned in my post - usually the result of owners and/or fans who expect too much too quick. When I said involved in the game I meant 20 years or so as a player/Manager/Coach in the professional game not the amateur game or, as with our Board, spectating. If an enthusiastic DIY friend tells you to do a job one way and A builder with 30 years experience advises you to do something completely different who do you believe?