Why??? He's the clown who has destroyed our club this season.We should chase him away from the north-east NOW and never let him return.Reports in Saturday's papers say that he wants to stay and re-build our club.What a joke...he's been a flop at his last three clubs.....why would we want him to stay any longer than this month??
Moyes wants to re-build our club!!!
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We will never ever progress until we're sold. When we're sold I bet they'll bring in their own manager. Let him and Short crack on and don't let it get you so worked up.
You're still under the impression what you(the fan) wants actually matters or factors in the decisions made for the club. He's not getting sacked, best come to terms with it. He's here for the foreseeable future.
You're still under the impression what you(the fan) wants actually matters or factors in the decisions made for the club. He's not getting sacked, best come to terms with it. He's here for the foreseeable future.
Yep. I've be detaching myself. **** this ****. I'll throw myself into it once Short has gone.
Ellis Short is enough to detach anything, came in tipping waiters, hopefully leaving with a few slaps and a boot up his arse..
The worst thing that could have happened to our club, sold a profit by the iconic big boy, flushed it down the toilet and never even managed to get some new bog rolls..
The sooner gone the better and he can take his haggis faced fanny batter manager with him..
hmmm said my bit..
Goodnight all..
The worst thing that could have happened to our club, sold a profit by the iconic big boy, flushed it down the toilet and never even managed to get some new bog rolls..
The sooner gone the better and he can take his haggis faced fanny batter manager with him..
hmmm said my bit..
Goodnight all..
Careful what you wish for folks.
He's got plenty enough spare to be able to just liquidate the club for the fun of it not to exist, if he so wanted to and then transfer the loss!
He's got plenty enough spare to be able to just liquidate the club for the fun of it not to exist, if he so wanted to and then transfer the loss!
Pretty much sums up my take on things. I feel numb towards the club. The team are not as pathetic or shambolic as under Wilko but they're as dour as their manager.
Wanting Short and Moyes out is not the answer as, by all appearances and opinions they have ruined the club, it may be worth stepping back and looking at the circumstances over time. In Short's case he has ploughed his money into the club on the advice of managers and other "footballing" people. I am not going to reiterate all that he has done to save us, but those who say his constant change of manager has led to our downfall just cannot see that those managers got us into the predicaments of the time and there was little choice but to change them, not to protect his investment or make money but maybe he believed that the fans deserved better.
In Moyes's case I see it as him possibly taking a good look at the players over the first half of the season with the January window as an opportunity to recruit suitable players. The fact this didn't happen could be nothing other than player reluctance to come here, then there was the refusal from Leics to part with Ulloa. How many other clubs could possibly have done that as well? Finally there is the injury list that a lot on here are not including in the circumstances, at any one time we had almost a team in dock, but now that is being put down to Moyes's training methods.
We have been here before in 1958 when the club was down and a hard man manager called Allan Brown was appointed to sort us out which he did, but only after we were relegated and he was the fans enemy forever yet he left us in a strong position with a very good team but people were glad to see him go. Over the years it has emerged that the team he assembled was dismantled by the next manager so he could bring in his own players once the stability had gone we started our yo-yo years from which didn't recover for some time.
As Kiwi says - be careful what you wish for.
In Moyes's case I see it as him possibly taking a good look at the players over the first half of the season with the January window as an opportunity to recruit suitable players. The fact this didn't happen could be nothing other than player reluctance to come here, then there was the refusal from Leics to part with Ulloa. How many other clubs could possibly have done that as well? Finally there is the injury list that a lot on here are not including in the circumstances, at any one time we had almost a team in dock, but now that is being put down to Moyes's training methods.
We have been here before in 1958 when the club was down and a hard man manager called Allan Brown was appointed to sort us out which he did, but only after we were relegated and he was the fans enemy forever yet he left us in a strong position with a very good team but people were glad to see him go. Over the years it has emerged that the team he assembled was dismantled by the next manager so he could bring in his own players once the stability had gone we started our yo-yo years from which didn't recover for some time.
As Kiwi says - be careful what you wish for.
He won't do that in a million years. The bank would though without a second thought.
Short has 'plowed' 40 million into the club which he converted to equity. The rest he's loaned us. He wants that back. You make him sound like the gift that keeps giving, but he not, he's the lender that keeps on lending and is unwilling to move the club on until he recoups it. That's why the club is over valued and he's presently struggling to sell us.
Ellis Short is enough to detach anything, came in tipping waiters, hopefully leaving with a few slaps and a boot up his arse..
The worst thing that could have happened to our club, sold a profit by the iconic big boy, flushed it down the toilet and never even managed to get some new bog rolls..
The sooner gone the better and he can take his haggis faced fanny batter manager with him..
hmmm said my bit..
Goodnight all..
I'll accept that amount if it has been researched to any great depth but it was in the sales brochure that he would 180mil to cover his investment in the club and he has never kept any manager short on funds until we have allegedly reached our FFP limit. Other indications in January was that we still had over 30mil unspent in January.
and Moyes hopefully loses his negative failure hangups - if not-------
Of course he wants the chance to stay at SAFC. He's been such an abject failure that he must realise that staying and rebuilding is his only chance to salvage his reputation. He must also know that Short is the only owner in the top two divisions with sufficiently little understanding of the game to employ him. The unfortunate thing is, I very much doubt that he will be able to rebuild and so we're looking at at least two seasons in the Championship at best.
This is an interesting article about our situation. Its assessment of Ellis Short, as a man who doesn't know what he's doing, and never has, is similar to the way I see him.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/04/07/sunderland-have-slipped-brink-disaster/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/04/07/sunderland-have-slipped-brink-disaster/
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The only way DM can rebuild the club as long as he has a hole in his back is to enroll on a bricklayers course and get in touch with. oz,nev,barry,moxy,bomber and dennis.