Off Topic ridiculous video replay rules

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moreinjuredthanowen

moreinjuredthanowen

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http://www.bbc.com/sport/golf/39482204

so there's this girl who can't place her balls very well right.

ok now you've got that image in your mind think about how this worked. Some ****ing ass hat texted in after seeing her misplace a ball by less than an inch... by mistake... and the tournament officals said oh.. right... ahem right... let bascially blow the whole comp for this viewer.

seems crzy to me but imagine what the implications are.

every golfer needs to ask an official to sign off on ball placement to indemnify them against some crazy loon.


can you imagine how this would work in football.

Everyone could text in and say the ref missed Barkley red card and the 4th official would have to call him over even though he dealt with it and tell him some crank form indonesia has complained and off barkley would go.

It'd be total chaos but probably more fair than the FA are right now <laugh>
 
The golfer has no hook in her complaint. If she broke the rules she broke the rules. Anyway you slice it , It would have been unjust if she broke the rules and won. Instead people are mad because she broke the rules and didnt get away with it?
 
The sound of Milksick said:
The golfer has no hook in her complaint. If she broke the rules she broke the rules. Anyway you slice it , It would have been unjust if she broke the rules and won. Instead people are mad because she broke the rules and didnt get away with it?
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they should demand a ball placing fixture thats not a coin or sticking a tee in the ground. It should be a 4 spike plate that ensures the ball can never be misplaced at all.

OR they could stop being total twats and realise a half inch is no advantage to anyone.

ah for the days of happy gilmore. that was golf's zenith.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
they should demand a ball placing fixture thats not a coin or sticking a tee in the ground. It should be a 4 spike plate that ensures the ball can never be misplaced at all.

OR they could stop being total twats and realise a half inch is no advantage to anyone.

ah for the days of happy gilmore. that was golf's zenith.
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Give them an inch...

On the opposite end. Throw ins in football.

Average football throw in.

walk to where ball went out. Shuffle 4 or 5 steps closer to opponents goal. Pass to teammate to throw instead. He shuffles 4 or 5 steps more. Gets ready to throw... Doesn't. Shuffles 4 more steps and then throws.

Half the time, when the ball is actually thrown it's 15ft away from where it first went out.
 
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The sound of Milksick said:
Give them an inch...

On the opposite end. Throw ins in football.

Average football throw in.

walk to where ball went out. Shuffle 4 or 5 steps closer to opponents goal. Pass to teammate to throw instead. He shuffles 4 or 5 steps more. Gets ready to throw... Doesn't. Shuffles 4 more steps and then throws.

Half the time, when the ball is actually thrown it's 15ft away from where it first went out.
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oh absolutely. the only time a ref cares is when someone takes a long throw in. its utterly pointless right now. the biggest issue now is how long it takes some teams to end up lobbing a ball down the line.
 
TBF...it's a pretty basic rule. Your marker should be ideally placed behind the ball. Unless you have to place marker to the side to avoid your marker being in direct path of opponents putt. The important bit is returning your ball to exact position it was in. She didn't. And that error was only a 1 stroke penalty btw..it was recording and submitting an incorrect card that added the rest of the penalty strokes.

That particular one has caught other golfers out before. In fact i believe one golfer last year submitted his card, thought about it overnight and reported himself for unintentionally moving his ball but not recording the penalty stroke ...he was disqualified for the same reason.

I think it's taken seriously because there is so much opportunity for cheating around a golf course..maybe not so much at big tournaments with cameras but smaller ones that don't. It's all about keeping up the standard.

Of course..whoever emailed in was an utter prick..the type that begins sentences with "I think you'll find......"
 
I don't think anyone is saying that it's wrong to punish someone for putting ball in wrong place, as milk said give them an inch etc. Where do you draw the line?

But you have referees and offices watching on tv who are meant to be looking for these things. If they miss it then it should be them that's punished not the player. The player clearly didn't mean to and it's so tiny distance prob didn't gain any ground, and they have so many other things to think about. The officisl watching on the feed has 1 job and if he's failed to spot it then it's his fault.

Clearly they need need to change this rule that if they are alerted by any means at any point in the tournament then can take action. It should only come from an official during that round and be picked up in that round so they can mark their scorecard correctly and avoid another 2 shot punishment which is what actually lost her the title.

Initial 2 shot for putting ball back would have still won her the thing By 2 shots, the incorrect scorecard made it level.
 
FSG's Last Stand said:
Whats the point of "video replay rules" when somebody doing exactly the same as another player that was cleared gets charged as here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39491847

Example being Rojo's stamps being reviewed and cleared by the same ****s that charge the player in the article of the same thing.
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Rojos one wasn't even reviewed was it because ref saw it during normal play?
 
InBiscanWeTrust said:
Rojos one wasn't even reviewed was it because ref saw it during normal play?
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Which one?, he's been stamping and going into two footed tackles a few times.

Point being though, even when evidence is presented to the video panel on a plate they still either turn a blind eye or make some excuse for what they see and is totally preposterous.
 
InBiscanWeTrust said:
I don't think anyone is saying that it's wrong to punish someone for putting ball in wrong place, as milk said give them an inch etc. Where do you draw the line?

But you have referees and offices watching on tv who are meant to be looking for these things. If they miss it then it should be them that's punished not the player. The player clearly didn't mean to and it's so tiny distance prob didn't gain any ground, and they have so many other things to think about. The officisl watching on the feed has 1 job and if he's failed to spot it then it's his fault.

Clearly they need need to change this rule that if they are alerted by any means at any point in the tournament then can take action. It should only come from an official during that round and be picked up in that round so they can mark their scorecard correctly and avoid another 2 shot punishment which is what actually lost her the title.

Initial 2 shot for putting ball back would have still won her the thing By 2 shots, the incorrect scorecard made it level.
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I agree that it should have been spotted sooner and the golfer approached...like in the men's comp the week before..player notified of infringement albeit after a bit of confusion, while still at same hole.

Get rid of review by tv by anyone other than match officials and maybe broadcasters. And if they don't spot it that day then tough. Maybe a delay of submitting cards to give officials time to video review and challenge players so the extra shots aren't added. The down side for this approach is an erosion of self penalising that us present in golf..there is a greater sense of playing by the rules than in other sports. Take my earlier example...a guy owns up knowing he faced disqualification. If you chip away at that ethos by saying to players..if you can get away with if it's not spotted by end of day...it is one of the things that separates golf from other sports.

On the move an inch argument. It can matter a great deal..if the ball is moved to avoid a spike mark or ball dent. Or if the ball was resting on the green near the second cut and by moving the an inch forward you clear a path for your putter stroke etc etc.
 
Milk is wrong here... thats what the officials are there for. Not only has she been punished for unintentionally cheating when it didn't even make a difference (and should have been spotted by others) but she then gets doubly punished for signing off on the wrong score unknowingly.

Whoever emailed in is like one of them justice warriors on the internet who have nothing better to do than moan and make other peoples lives hell.
 
DirtyFrank said:
I agree that it should have been spotted sooner and the golfer approached...like in the men's comp the week before..player notified of infringement albeit after a bit of confusion, while still at same hole.

Get rid of review by tv by anyone other than match officials and maybe broadcasters. And if they don't spot it that day then tough. Maybe a delay of submitting cards to give officials time to video review and challenge players so the extra shots aren't added. The down side for this approach is an erosion of self penalising that us present in golf..there is a greater sense of playing by the rules than in other sports. Take my earlier example...a guy owns up knowing he faced disqualification. If you chip away at that ethos by saying to players..if you can get away with if it's not spotted by end of day...it is one of the things that separates golf from other sports.

On the move an inch argument. It can matter a great deal..if the ball is moved to avoid a spike mark or ball dent. Or if the ball was resting on the green near the second cut and by moving the an inch forward you clear a path for your putter stroke etc etc.
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why even make them move the balls? All golfers should play by themselves so now they can't move their ball by 1mm to either side on re-spotting it.

Or maybe their should be official tournament ball placers and removers at the big events?
 
BobbyD said:
why even make them move the balls? All golfers should play by themselves so now they can't move their ball by 1mm to either side on re-spotting it.

Or maybe their should be official tournament ball placers and removers at the big events?
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It's really not that hard to mark and replace a ball. While this inccident has divided golf commentators and players mostly over the external nature of the review..most agree her ball placement was strange. It wasn't as if she had to wait for the other player to play first. She lifted, marked and replaced immediately..just a mind fart, pressure etc.? Not much different from a footballer placing a ball on the penalty spot or inside the corner mark. As Biscs said..it should have been spotted quickly by match officials.

Lol and there is still some psychology in playing against an opponent. The pairings are updated each day so the two playing best are paired together...it doesn't always end up that those two are the ones going for the title on the final day but organisers try to make it as likely as possible

It's so you can clean it. An advantage within the rules to insure the best possible contact for putting.

Or your ball is in the way of your opponents so you mark it. This one could be resolved by allowing the person closer to the hole you putt first but then you risk that play standing all over the putting line of the opponent further away.
 
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FSG's Last Stand said:
Whats the point of "video replay rules" when somebody doing exactly the same as another player that was cleared gets charged as here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39491847

Example being Rojo's stamps being reviewed and cleared by the same ****s that charge the player in the article of the same thing.
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And why on earth should Rojo be expected to conform to the rules, do you know who he plays for!
 
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