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The International Break

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by The Ides of March, Aug 28, 2016.

  1. ihatemyselfandwanttodie

    ihatemyselfandwanttodie Well-Known Member

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    Not only encouraging but also belief the regulars are fairly ****.

    I know Sterling got the assist, but if he was playing for Saints or WBA there wouldn't be a major fuss over him and he would b in the periphery like Redmond. Then 'Pool would buy him and realise he was a bit ****.
     
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  2. Ronnie Hotdog (MLsfc)

    Ronnie Hotdog (MLsfc) Well-Known Member

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    You don't think it is odd that people form their opinion based on their dissapointment in the performance of past players and managers from years ago that aren't even in this squad, rather than, you know, actually watching the game and forming an opinion based on the current situation?

    Maybe I am the odd one for not judging somebody based on the failures of their predecessors.
     
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  3. fatletiss

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    I watched the game. I judged on that. I then deduced that it's pretty much following the same pattern. It is my humble opinion that we didn't play that well. We dominated possession but didn't open them up and create as many clear chances as I thought we should. When we did, we didn't take them.

    Not sure where you get people commenting and not watching the game.
     
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  4. fatletiss

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    I'll agree about Rooney and Portugal.

    Rooney is an interesting case. Back then he looked like he could be a world class talent. Bags of ability, great first touch and a real game changer. In the last 5 years I'm at a loss to understand why he has deteriated so much and now can't trap a bag of cement. His second touch is a tackle these days. **

    ** more cliches available :)
     
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  5. Ronnie Hotdog (MLsfc)

    Ronnie Hotdog (MLsfc) Well-Known Member

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    Going to respond to the rest of what I said or just one comment?

    And as for that comment, of course realise people physically watch the game, but from their comments they may aswell not have.
     
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  6. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Rooney was unbelievable in Euro 2004. I know it's all ifs and buts and doesn't mean **** blah blah blah! But I'm absolutely convinced were it not for that injury we go on to win that tournament where a lot of the best sides weren't great.
     
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  7. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    I think that Rooney would have achieved his potential if surrounded by the right players....it seemed as if he was trying to do too much. No one could complain about his effort, but running after everything meant he reduced his chances of being in the right place.
     
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  8. fatletiss

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    What part have I missed? I believe in responded to your point.

    If you're looking to poke the sleeping fats (as per Fran), not happening today mate.

    Your last comment is just a dig at those who had a different opinion to you.
     
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  9. Ronnie Hotdog (MLsfc)

    Ronnie Hotdog (MLsfc) Well-Known Member

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    Not looking for anew arguement at all.

    My main point is that it is quite obviously wrong to judge someone based on the failures of their predecessors. Which is what it seems you and many others are doing with Southgate and his new look squad.
     
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  10. saintlyhero

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    Optimism of youth...
     
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  11. Ronnie Hotdog (MLsfc)

    Ronnie Hotdog (MLsfc) Well-Known Member

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    Nope. Although relatively young (22) I have been watching England (properly) since the 2002 world cup and have witnessed plenty of failures. Do I think Southgate will lead us to glory? No. Will I give him a chance to prove himself and judge him on how we perform and achieve under him? Yes.
     
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    No, you have taken that as our view. I am
    judging on what I've seen and then comparing it to previous. I'm saying that the performance sunday was not good and then very much the same as I've witnessed before. I am giving Southgate a chance, however it appears you won't allow us to make comparisons to what we've seen before.

    On the evidence I've seen so far (which is not a lot as he's not been there long, but give me a chance as I can only use the small sample I've seen so far).

    You have your opinion. I have mine.
     
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    Did you think Sunday was good?
     
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  14. fran-MLs little camera

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    We did what was required. It was Southgate's first competitive fixture since getting the job full-time and we easily beat what was admittedly a poor side. I felt the selection of a 34 year old Defoe was vindicated by his goal. There is certainly room for improvement but considering it was a dominating 2-0 victory in the very early stages of his England career I don't think it warranted the negativity some have expressed.
     
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  17. fatletiss

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    The judgement will come at the finals.
     
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  18. Ronnie Hotdog (MLsfc)

    Ronnie Hotdog (MLsfc) Well-Known Member

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    Indeed, and so it should. As I say, I'm not filled with blind hope that Southgate is that he man to finally bring us success. I just think: so far, so good.
     
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  19. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    Sam McQueen was right there, on the screen, for what must have been a whole second!
     
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  20. fran-MLs little camera

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sp...ery-leads-England-Jermain-Defoe.html?ITO=1490

    As a nice side story, it was a nice touch for mascot Bradley to find that Defoe, the player who befriended him, was there to hold his hand.
     
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