Transfer Rumours January Transfer Window 2017

[cumbrianmackem]

I made an observation during our pre season games whilst at the training camp abroad that Kharzi looked like a little barrel and totally unfit.
Well I've not seen anything since to suggest he looks any fitter now, even though his showings have been extremely brief and that in my view is possibly part of the reason why Moyes dosent rate him.
I noted in the last game when he came on as a late sub the journos seemed to be saying he gave possession away too easily and if correct another reason Moyes won't play him.
I like the lad but if hes stopped trying for whatever reason then you can hardly blame Moyes for not trusting him to start games.
Just my opinion.

 

[The Norton Cat]

I made an observation during our pre season games whilst at the training camp abroad that Kharzi looked like a little barrel and totally unfit.
Well I've not seen anything since to suggest he looks any fitter now, even though his showings have been extremely brief and that in my view is possibly part of the reason why Moyes dosent rate him.
I noted in the last game when he came on as a late sub the journos seemed to be saying he gave possession away too easily and if correct another reason Moyes won't play him.
I like the lad but if hes stopped trying for whatever reason then you can hardly blame Moyes for not trusting him to start games.
Just my opinion.

I've posted pictures on here before so I'm not going to do it again but do a google image search for Khazri and look at him last season and playing for his previous clubs. Doesn't look any fatter to me.

No, he hasn't looked great when he's come on but that could be down to a lack of game time. If he has given up, shouldn't the manager be looking at why this is the case? Maybe its got something to do with him having been dropped and not given a chance.

I don't understand why Januzaj was brought in when we had 4 good players for his position/s. Given our limited resources, surely it would be better to use the players that are at our disposal, that we are already paying for, rather than bring in another one. If Moyes had done that, maybe Khazri would have played himself back into form (and fitness if you like) and the loan fee and wages being spent on Januzaj could have been used to bring in a centre mid. It may even have made the M'Vila deal more financially possible.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

I've posted pictures on here before so I'm not going to do it again but do a google image search for Khazri and look at him last season and playing for his previous clubs. Doesn't look any fatter to me.

No, he hasn't looked great when he's come on but that could be down to a lack of game time. If he has given up, shouldn't the manager be looking at why this is the case? Maybe its got something to do with him having been dropped and not given a chance.

I don't understand why Januzaj was brought in when we had 4 good players for his position/s. Given our limited resources, surely it would be better to use the players that are at our disposal, that we are already paying for, rather than bring in another one. If Moyes had done that, maybe Khazri would have played himself back into form (and fitness if you like) and the loan fee and wages being spent on Januzaj could have been used to bring in a centre mid. It may even have made the M'Vila deal more financially possible.

Mate Adnan's only on £40k a week I doubt you're paying more than half of that.

Fellow players like O'Shea and Cattermole will be costing you far more than he will be, he's the least of your worries, it's not his fault if he's being picked over somebody who may or may not be trying as hard on the training ground, he didn't put your owner over a barrel and force you to pay some of his wages.

How much can you actually do with £1.5m given you forked out about £15m for N'Donk.

As far as I can see that left berth has been vacated for quite a while now, Anichebe the latest victim of playing there, what's Adnan doing to stop Khazri stepping up and playing there?

 

[cumbrianmackem]

I've posted pictures on here before so I'm not going to do it again but do a google image search for Khazri and look at him last season and playing for his previous clubs. Doesn't look any fatter to me.

No, he hasn't looked great when he's come on but that could be down to a lack of game time. If he has given up, shouldn't the manager be looking at why this is the case? Maybe its got something to do with him having been dropped and not given a chance.

I don't understand why Januzaj was brought in when we had 4 good players for his position/s. Given our limited resources, surely it would be better to use the players that are at our disposal, that we are already paying for, rather than bring in another one. If Moyes had done that, maybe Khazri would have played himself back into form (and fitness if you like) and the loan fee and wages being spent on Januzaj could have been used to bring in a centre mid. It may even have made the M'Vila deal more financially possible.

Norton,
I totally agree we should be playing OUR players ahead of any loan signings, ie Jones & Love ahead of the full back we have on loan.
I would like Khazri to be playing ahead of Januzai but for some reason Moyes is not up for that scenario.
Is it his weight?, his attitude ? or is it just Moyes has a thing for our loanee (I dont mean in a sexual way).
I agree that had Khazri being playing from pre season up till now then we might well witness the same player we saw last season, I cannot get my head round why we have this situation with Khazri, its quite baffling.

 

[mackemwelder]

Norton,
I totally agree we should be playing OUR players ahead of any loan signings, ie Jones & Love ahead of the full back we have on loan.
I would like Khazri to be playing ahead of Januzai but for some reason Moyes is not up for that scenario.
Is it his weight?, his attitude ? or is it just Moyes has a thing for our loanee (I dont mean in a sexual way).
I agree that had Khazri being playing from pre season up till now then we might well witness the same player we saw last season, I cannot get my head round why we have this situation with Khazri, its quite baffling.

He was different class against Liverpool mate, in fact all three front players were great for us. Defoe, Borini & Januzaj.

 

[The Norton Cat]

Mate Adnan's only on £40k a week I doubt you're paying more than half of that.

Fellow players like O'Shea and Cattermole will be costing you far more than he will be, he's the least of your worries, it's not his fault if he's being picked over somebody who may or may not be trying as hard on the training ground, he didn't put your owner over a barrel and force you to pay some of his wages.

How much can you actually do with £1.5m given you forked out about £15m for N'Donk.

As far as I can see that left berth has been vacated for quite a while now, Anichebe the latest victim of playing there, what's Adnan doing to stop Khazri stepping up and playing there?

Take your point about the finances of it all. This isn't some anti-Januzaj crusade, by the way- its just he happens to be the epitome of what I see as our manager's muddled thinking when it comes to recruitment

@cumbrianmackem I know what you're saying. I just think in our constrained circumstances Moyes should be looking to get the most from all of the players available to him, not consigning them to the scrapheap. If Khazri has lost interest, I'd like to think that the manager would be working to regain his interest. Our financial situation is the result of successive managers not fancying some of our squad and insisting on bringing their own men in but it appears to me Moyes has done just that again. Januzaj, Love, McNair, Anichebe are all players that he has worked with previously and is clearly comfortable with. Anichebe aside its arguable that any of them have improved our squad to any significant degree other than giving us extra numbers.
In short, we need to squeeze as much value out of this transfer window as possible and I don't see selling talented players that Moyes doesn't like to bring in more of his cronies as good value. I'd rather see him working on helping Khazri find form and the reintroduction of players we own who are performing well on loan elsewhere, should that be possible.

 

[Nordic]

I know that, mate. That's why it's shambolic. He prefers Januzaj instead of Khazri

Lens wont come back because of the way Moyes treated him.

Khazri is an odd one, given his quality end last season. but he's looked **** and disinterested since the start of the season. If i was a new manager i'd hardly be enamoured by him, but it's also down to Moyes to get the best out of him.

Lens leaving was hardly Moyes fault. Allardyce kicked him into touch long before that. He only showed an interest when Dick gave him a tinkle from Turkey.

 

[Deleted #]

Khazri is an odd one, given his quality end last season. but he's looked **** and disinterested since the start of the season. If i was a new manager i'd hardly be enamoured by him, but it's also down to Moyes to get the best out of him.

Lens leaving was hardly Moyes fault. Allardyce kicked him into touch long before that. He only showed an interest when Dick gave him a tinkle from Turkey.

Totally disagree with that, mate.

Lens looked in the best shape he'd been in while at the club and his effort and performances were also looking good in pre-season. People were starting to get excited about him again and then all of a sudden, he got loaned out.

For me, Khazri looks **** and disinterested because the manager has never give him a proper chance. After his performances last season, I think it's perfectly understandable to be feeling the way he seems to be feeling.

I hold Moyes responsible for persisting with his golden boy, Januzaj.

 

[Nordic]

Totally disagree with that, mate.

Lens looked in the best shape he'd been in while at the club and his effort and performances were also looking good in pre-season. People were starting to get excited about him again and then all of a sudden, he got loaned out.

For me, Khazri looks **** and disinterested because the manager has never give him a proper chance. After his performances last season, I think it's perfectly understandable to be feeling the way he seems to be feeling.

I hold Moyes responsible for persisting with his golden boy, Januzaj.

Fair do's, pal. we all have different views. but I think Lens only put a shift in coz Big Dick was back in for him. He was still under Allardyce when he looked good in pre-season, til Sam ****ed off.

As per Khazri-Moyes. It takes two to tango. Khazri chucks his toys out the pram. Moyes tells him to man up or gae te ****.

 

[The Norton Cat]

Fair do's, pal. we all have different views. but I think Lens only put a shift in coz Big Dick was back in for him. He was still under Allardyce when he looked good in pre-season, til Sam ****ed off.

As per Khazri-Moyes. It takes two to tango. Khazri chucks his toys out the pram. Moyes tells him to man up or gae te ****.

Agree that there are two ways to look at it, but Lens played against Middlesbrough in the league and was looking good.

 

[Nostalgic]

I think that Januzai has more versatility, leading to greater impact, than Khazri has. At least we can change a few things up front via Januzai.

 

[Gil T Azell]

Regardless of what we think about the merits of either of them it would appear the man that matters has picked Januzai.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

Totally disagree with that, mate.

Lens looked in the best shape he'd been in while at the club and his effort and performances were also looking good in pre-season. People were starting to get excited about him again and then all of a sudden, he got loaned out.

For me, Khazri looks **** and disinterested because the manager has never give him a proper chance. After his performances last season, I think it's perfectly understandable to be feeling the way he seems to be feeling.

I hold Moyes responsible for persisting with his golden boy, Januzaj.

Why though mate? Januzaj doesn't take all 11 places in the squad does he? And as far as I can see Adnan hasn't played every game in the same position.

Your logic puts Gooch and Watmore both ahead of Khazri also.

Seems to me like there's more to it than favouritism.

 

[The Norton Cat]

I think that Januzai has more versatility, leading to greater impact, than Khazri has. At least we can change a few things up front via Januzai.

Both can play in the Number 10 role and both can play wide. Khazri made his name playing as a Number 10 for Bordeaux yet I don't recall him ever being given the chance to play there since he's been at SAFC. Januzaj has been here 5 mins and has already been given a chance there.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

Both can play in the Number 10 role and both can play wide. Khazri made his name playing as a Number 10 for Bordeaux yet I don't recall him ever being given the chance to play there since he's been at SAFC. Januzaj has been here 5 mins and has already been given a chance there.

They're both versatile forward players and as far as I can tell, Moyes fetched in Januzaj to fill the hole left by Adam Johnson.... Oh, perhaps I could have worded that better

 

[Gil T Azell]

Honeyman to Wigan. Anybody heard that one? Small fee bif sell on clause. Allegedly.

 

[Nordic]

Agree that there are two ways to look at it, but Lens played against Middlesbrough in the league and was looking good.

So what? He looked good at the start of the previous season. Dick ****ed off, Sam tried him but fined him for a poor attitude - not warming down with his team mates against Watford - and benched him. He played one more game, last of the season against watford, a game which meant nowt.

I'm sure by that point he wanted to get out. He is clearly much happier where he is, and does not want to come back.

Yet Moyes is being slagged off for not keeping a player who prefers working with another manager he's more comfortable with (and doing well); yet Moyes is then slated for working with one player he has had success with, rather than one who doesn't want to be here.

OK.

 

[mackemwelder]

Take your point about the finances of it all. This isn't some anti-Januzaj crusade, by the way- its just he happens to be the epitome of what I see as our manager's muddled thinking when it comes to recruitment

@cumbrianmackem I know what you're saying. I just think in our constrained circumstances Moyes should be looking to get the most from all of the players available to him, not consigning them to the scrapheap. If Khazri has lost interest, I'd like to think that the manager would be working to regain his interest. Our financial situation is the result of successive managers not fancying some of our squad and insisting on bringing their own men in but it appears to me Moyes has done just that again. Januzaj, Love, McNair, Anichebe are all players that he has worked with previously and is clearly comfortable with. Anichebe aside its arguable that any of them have improved our squad to any significant degree other than giving us extra numbers.
In short, we need to squeeze as much value out of this transfer window as possible and I don't see selling talented players that Moyes doesn't like to bring in more of his cronies as good value. I'd rather see him working on helping Khazri find form and the reintroduction of players we own who are performing well on loan elsewhere, should that be possible.

TBF to Moyes, he's been **** on from a great height imo. He was brought in late and given a squad which was clearly not good enough to make any progress on last seasons great escape. Big Sam had ****ed off for pastures new, so had a few loanees and DM was left with a thread bare, injury strewn squad and very little time to build on it. He didn't have a great deal of money to splash so as always we relied on loanees. IMO DM is picking up the pieces from previous managerial failings, and being kicked in the bollocks by the owner who sold a dream and delivered a nightmare. Give the bloke a chance, take off the handcuffs and lets see what he can do. Sounds simple enough, but we are Sunderland, and we don't do simple, ES needs to deliver on his promises and give Moyes a fighting chance imho.

I'm not making excuses for Moyes, but i can see improvement and i think he will improve us if given the chance. He's been more informative than any other manager before him and tells us as it is, i like that. He may come across as negative, but in reality he's only telling us what we already know, we're **** and unless things change the club will not survive in the top flight.

January is going to be a very interesting month.

 

[The Norton Cat]

So what? He looked good at the start of the previous season. Dick ****ed off, Sam tried him but fined him for a poor attitude - not warming down with his team mates against Watford - and benched him. He played one more game, last of the season against watford, a game which meant nowt.

I'm sure by that point he wanted to get out. He is clearly much happier where he is, and does not want to come back.

Yet Moyes is being slagged off for not keeping a player who prefers working with another manager he's more comfortable with (and doing well); yet Moyes is then slated for working with one player he has had success with, rather than one who doesn't want to be here.

OK.

So what? So he looked like he was willing to compete and play well for us. He could have stayed, done as well for us as he is for Fener, and we could have used the loan fee and loan position to bring in a player in a position that we actually needed cover for.

 

[ZendensdodgyMoves]

Strange you're talking about Januzaj like this when for me he looks like he is really starting to have an impact. Khazri is an up and down player go can score a Worldy one game and be the worst player on the park the next. You would hope when you've been out you would come in and make it difficult for the boss to leave you out. He has made it easy and I'm guessing he hasn't impressed much in training either and is only getting a run out due to our low numbers. If we can get anywhere near 8M for him take it.