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Sorry Leroy but I disagree.

Discussion in 'Bristol City' started by oneforthebristolcity, Oct 9, 2011.

  1. oneforthebristolcity

    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    Bit late I know, but an article in the Evening post (Fridays) from old city favourite Leroy Rosenoir annoyed me a bit, regarding Gianfranco Zola.


    Leroy’s quote “The name that has surprised me most is that of Gianfranco Zola. To that I’d have to say: Not for me. Zola was a fantastic player and, as manager at West Ham. I believe he was very unlucky.”
    He goes on to say “The championship is a different beast to the Premier League and I just can’t see how that can work. That would be a ,major, major gamble.”


    Hang on Leroy,,,,

    The Championship is a different beast to the Premier League.........What the hell does that have to do with it........Surely that’s a better level than St Johnstone (McInnes) & Rotherham & Barnsley (Robins)

    It would be a major major gamble???

    I think everyone on the list is a major gamble,

    One thing you could guarantee Leroy.........The football & coaching at Ashton Gate would improve no end.
    Good players would want to play for him.
    Attendances would rise for the football alone.
    Yes the assistant manager would be important.....

    BUT IMO I know whom I would rather gamble with..

    ZOLA for me <ok><ok>

    Unfortunately though I don’t think the board would have the balls....
     
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  2. OfficiallyRed

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    I've got a funny feeling were going to get Mark Robins, i hope not though. dont get me wrong hes a decent enough manager but there are much better managers out of work right now that would be a more suitable choice, Dave jones for example.
     
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  3. ibodyslamrhinos

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    Chelsea is my 2nd team purely because of Gianfranco Zola, I grew up being totally mesmorised by him, and still buy my Chelsea shirt every season (as well as my replica city shirt) and have ZOLA and 25 printed on the back, because he is without a shadow of a doubt my footballing hero. I even have a minature Zola corinthian figuring hanging from my rear view mirror in my car! He truly made football the beautiful game for me, and he is a decent, stand up ambassador for the sport who is loved and respected globally.

    I want him no where near Bristol City, I don't want my image of one of the last decent professionals of the game being ruined by coming to my club and failing. I don't think he is a manager, he is much like Millen, a great great coach, but not a leader of men. I would welcome him with open arms as an assistant possibly, or even a player!!! But not as a manager.
     
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  4. oneforthebristolcity

    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    Bit OLD for a player!!
    Millen a great great coach........you are having a laugh arn't you??

    You are right he could fail, but so could any of the others mentioned..
    What I do think Zola would bring is FOOTBALL. Playing along the floor, no long ball and hoof and hope for the best rubbish.
    I agree that his assistant should have some knowledge of the championship, but if allowed, the long term type of football would be priceless.

    He will always be a legend as a player, no one could ever take that away from him but given the chance I believe he could be a decent manager.
     
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  5. Shinycitylad7

    Shinycitylad7 Looking at the stars mate

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    i personally wouldn't mind Zola, as people have said he would bring sexy football down to the gate, something ive said we need for ages, and also millen was sacked 6 days ago now, the club said he would bring out a statement in a few days, nothing yet, i would love to hear from the guy, he must still clearly be gutted
     
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  6. Lan Logger

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    why would you want zola.. what has he done??

    So judging because you all want zola you'd take avram grant iswell then?
     
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  7. ibodyslamrhinos

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    Lan, I said I wouldn't want him. I don't think he has enough experience, I'd take Dave Jones over him, but Derek is my first choice.

    Millen was a great COACH onefor, just not a manager. You don't work yourself through the ranks of a championship club to manager if you aren't respected as a coach. But I think thats all he is, is a coach, he isn't a manager and never will be.
     
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  8. oneforthebristolcity

    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    The above statement Does NOT make any sense what so ever.
     
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  9. oneforthebristolcity

    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    "You don't work yourself through the ranks of a championship club to manager if you aren't respected as a coach"

    It's called the cheap option.
    What evidence was there, that he was a great coach???

    And why would you choose McInnes??
    Only experience he's had is at St Johnstone......well that's it then, must be a top coach!!!
     
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  10. ibodyslamrhinos

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    Why the hostility for onefor?? Just my opinion, same as yours is Zola

    I want McInnes as he looks like an exciting prospect and has so far only looked impressive for St Johnstone. Can you tell me what evidence there is for Zola being a good manager?

    Okay, well I am sure he got to where he got to for being a rubbish coach. Not sure how giving the man (a totally unproven manager) a 3 year managerial contract and sacking him after 1 year is the "cheap option".
     
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  11. oneforthebristolcity

    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    Millen had already been given a new 3 year contract at the time of Coppels appointment. When Coppel left the title of the contract just changed.....As I said, It was just a cheap option. Plus SL felt bad that on two occasions Millen was over looked.

    If he was such a good coach, why was our defence such a shambles, the fact that he specialised in that position??
    I do not mean to be hostile, it just bugs me that people jump on a band wagon, i.e regarding McInnes......I bet you never heard of him until now?

    Zola, had a spell with West Ham, and under the circumstances did really well, in fact when he left they went downhill very quickly.

    Like you said, he was a cracking player, technically brillient and yes it would be a gamble............but apart from Jones who with money did well in the championship, Zola is no more of a gamble than anyone else......
    Like I said.....I think what he would give us is good quality entertaining football, something we've not had in years.
     
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  12. ibodyslamrhinos

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    I just think you don't get taken on as an assistant by 3 different managers if you are rubbish at your job. Brian Kidd, must be a great coach, as he was employed by Sir Alex and now Mancini, so two world class managers must see something in him, but he was absolute shocking as a manager. Thats my opinion of Keith, good solid dependable day to day coach, but not a manager and that goes for plenty of other people in the game.

    Zola got the sack for a reason, his style of football went from what you say is entertaining, but when it didnt bring results it soon changed to hoofball, which is exactly what GJ did. So the football totally deteoriated and didn't work and thats why both of those managers got the sack.

    I'm not jumping on any McInness band wagon, as far as I can tell not many people agree with McInness, everyone wants Dave Jones. I just like the sound of McInness same as you do Zola, theres no real solid proof either will be very good, thats what makes my opinion just as correct/wrong as yours at this stage.

    I have said for years though I would take mid table obscurity with great entertaining football, over what we have seen the last few seasons though, which is bad, scrappy, inconsistent football leaving us below mid table... So if Zola did bring that, I'd be happy to build on it over a length of time. I am just desperate for us to avoid going down, as we won't come up again. Theres 8 teams in that league fighting for 3 promotion places and that could ALL finish top 2, and all of them as good if not better than we currently are. So if we go down, we are royally stuffed, as we won't be back up for a lonnnnnnnnng time.
     
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  13. tallpinesred

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    He had quality players at West Ham and they still struggled,what makes you think he'd get us playing sexy football with the players we've got.What we need now more than anything is to get back to learning how to win games and I for one couldn't care less about wether it was sexy or not.
     
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  14. OfficiallyRed

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    Ummmm, he got them promoted? walst being 1 of the smalled clubs in Scotland! hes also kept them up respectively and reached a few cup finals! hes young, already had 4 years exp and is well respected. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, i wonder.................................. you half whit.
     
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    The answer is hunger, desire, a decent pedigree and an ability to man manage which has been sadly lacking here in recent times. As for most people wanting Jones, the poll on here suggests otherwise...

    In answer to Shiny's comment, Keith must indeed be gutted - it is an extremely unpleasant thing to happen to anyone and I do feel for him (been there once) but it just wasn't working out. As he himself said, whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. No doubt he will lick his wounds for a bit and then its time to up and go again...
     
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  16. oneforthebristolcity

    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    Apart from the old firm in the Scotish League, the rest mean nothing to me. So he has done well for St Johnstone......Perhaps theres a manager in the Irish league that's doing well........BIG DEAL.
    You can be chidish ole you like, but you are not going to convince me of some manager doing well in the Scotish League........I probably could do that..
     
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  17. Premiershiporbust....

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    one4, you are the one who has been telling us how to manage but with an attitude like that, you're very insular - where did Ferguson come from then....??!!!

    Do you have the first clue about how important man management is...? If you want an example, look at GJ when he first came in. The fact that Scotland is unimportant to you irrelevant, do you think they use square balls up there or something...?

    I expect they've never head of you either...
     
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  18. oneforthebristolcity

    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    Come on Prem, had you ever heard of the Name Derek McInnes until the last week or so. Where has all this imformation come from, Hunger, Decent pedigree, Man manage ability?

    I'm not saying don't go for him, I'm saying he is as much of a gamble of what Zola is..
    And IMO I believe Zola will try to bring good football to the club, something else that has been lacking in recent times
     
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  19. oneforthebristolcity

    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    Another one down to calling people names...........wow Prem grow up..

    Ferguson came from Aberdeen and at the time was one of the teams on a high along with Celtic & Rangers............A bit different
     
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    Suitable edited but that was a very tunnel vision comment which got my back up - do they play the game different up there...?
     
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