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100% agree!

 

I'm glad rosberg is out of the title race. Hopefully merc will settle him in his rightful no2 role instead of disturbing their prized no1 driver.

 

Is the Misses Pregnant? Son? Daughter? lol

 

I think i am hearing that Mercedes are not sure if they can reuse Rosberg's updated, new engine.. so maybe he will have a completely new one for the next race.

 

Maybe they're comfortable taking a few extra risks over tyre temp because they know that their PU is that much better than anyone else's and are therefore better placed to deal with any shortfall. If they can ride out any early wobbles whilst tyres get up to temp then that puts them in a stronger position for the rest of the race.

 

I wouldn't put anything past Mercedes or their drivers tbh

 

Hmmm, only just saw the race, was away for the weekend...
Did Merc's cheat? Given their obvious car advantage, You'd think they didn't do this on purpose.. not even sure they "found a loophole" in the rules, given how new the rules were..
Anyhoo, leave that the FIA and teams to sort out (or continue to fudge)..
The race.. well, put it this way, it helped me fall asleep last night!
Monza, is it Monaco at 200mph?

 

Mercedes didn't cheat, it turns out the FIA need to go back and resist GCSE physics. They had all the figures but didn't know what to do with them

 

No. The laws of physics are the laws of physics. Mercedes are no more capable of breaking them than anyone else.

NEWSFLASH: MERCEDES BREAK LAWS OF PHYSICS.

 

Pretty crap car then if you ask me.. what would Newton think... oh the shame!

 

They seem to break every other law, why not physics?

 

Was this your opinion when Red Bull's front wings were flexing?

 

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The same. Very clever designers and engineers who can out think and out smart the body who is supposed to police the compliance of the rules.

 

F1 is where the cleverest cheat wins, fan cars, water-cooled brakes, flexi-wings, barge boards, and F-ducts to name a few of the designs introduced to F1 that won races even though they were knowingly against the rules, they're off the top of my head. they were all performance related though, the standardised tyre temps were a matter of safety, but the fault, as always, lies with the FIA.
It's ironic that we are discussing cockpits in another thread, and the very next race knee-jerking by pirelli has caused a bit of a problem.

This calculation is missing a little factor. I'm going to guess that you forgot V is not constant in a rubber tyre as it will expand with heat and pressure. The calculation will be out, not much, but it will be out, the pressure will be slightly lower than the calculation would show.

 

I suppose the question is, when did everyone else take theirs off?


"And at significantly different temperatures from others cars"

 

Nevertheless, the way a Pirelli tyre responds to temperature should be consistent. It should be a simple case of filling tyres to a set T and p, then measuring one as you change the other to produce a calibration curve. Then all the technical delegate has to do is record the T and p any time before the race, and check against the graph.

 

Saldly not... We're close to packing our kiddos off to college.

 

I assumed that it would change so little for a stationary tyre that I could more or less call it constant. Considering the forces a tyre is subjected to they must be fairly sturdy.

 

but they're not, and that's where the problem starts, hence Pirelli having to insist on a minimum pressure (under-inflating the tyre makes it concave, the internal volume will be lower the colder it gets, it's really just a very 'sturdy' ballon (just not sturdy enough, hence the explosions.) When a racing tyre is at it's optimum heat and pressure the tyre will be flat to the road, if it's over-inflated it will convex, which you don't want, so the volumes change with the temperature.
yes, it's going to be minimal, but isn't that what F1 is about? the 1/1000ths of an advantage? Was it done? If so was it done on purpose or by accident, I don't know, but the stewards don't seem to want to touch Mercedes for any infringment at all.
The F1 stewards, and Whiting in particular, are either purposefully giving Merc a helping hand, or they are utterly incompetent and not fit to be overseeing a multi-billion dollar business. He should have walked, or been pushed, after 'test-gate' his continuing presence as judge, jury and executioner after so many easily avoided ****-ups are very suspicious. Someone that incompetent wouldn't even last in the civil service.