First of all just what does that mean ? In reality it dont mean a thing as you are not guaranteed anything in football.....Are not the toon,villa and Sunderland classed as established sides and look at the season they are having. Lets have a realistic look at our side and see what we have achieved over the years and there is no mistake that we have been the most successful SMALL club in history and have punched well above our weight beating all the big sides at one time or another and usually because they have not shown us enough respect, today however being a so called established club teams big or small no longer take us lightly and because we are a small club the big sides will beat us 9 times out of ten as they should do with their much better players....When we play teams more our level we are still classed as a small side that they have a chance of beating and when they see our past successes they tend to up their game and the win can go to either side. I think we should be realistic now and accept that without buying better quality players that will cost millions we are a team that will have to fight for every point every season just to stay out of the bottom three.......We can stay in the premiership for a few more seasons but don't expect us to be up the top end as it wont happen, those seasons have gone because teams are wise to us now and i cant see jinx spending enough money to buy quality just to keep up, Anyway the chances of real quality will take one look at our maximum attendance and will want much better..........I have not mentioned relegation once.....just be more realistic where we are as a club......
All those teams you site as an example have been floating along the bottom for more than one season, they may be big clubs, but they are not run right, we are, and will continue to do so, and yes we are an established Premier League side, we gained that ticket after our third season................
The thing that makes us established is our place in the table each season.Wigan were up more seasons than us(so far )and they were never really established. Another reason were established is we spending more freely , a sure sign.
We're not established and far from it , we will always be playing catch up just to maintain parity with the lower half Clubs . Just look at Villa a huge club but not immune to dropping out , watching them last night v Spurs and they showed that even with their poor from they made Spurs work harder for the win than they may have expected . Money doesn't equate to success although it will take you a long way , just as importantly is a team ethic and a manager who knows how to get the best form his squad in terms of selection and tactics
I consider an established team,a team without the threat of relegation. Plus teams that have been in the PL for more than at least 5 years. We're getting there but it's a long old slog. Maintain out PL status this year and with the next batch of Sky money, we can then look at being an established team.
Depends what 'established' means I guess. If it means always there or thereabouts a European place then not really. If it means we've been promoted a while back and have improved every season (this season may be the blip in that) then yes we are. As someone else said we've never been bobbling along in the bottom 5 for any length of time in the whole time we've been here. But isn't it funny how Dai comes up with comments about realism and expectations and how we have ordinary players when he wasn't able to cut that slack to a certain Mr Laudrup? Like others I'm a little tired of the Laudrup/ Monk thing (no disrespect to others who seem to like it) but sorry Dai, it is noticeable. Loved ML though I can understand the timing of his departure. But our squad is actually better now, yet you say our expectations should be lower? How does that work, pray tell?
I think the only established sides are the big sides only who can buy themselves out of any sort of trouble. We are no more an established side than the man in the moon and around 14 other clubs......What has monk and laudrup or any other past managers got to do with anything? The fact is that we have always known that the longer you are in the premiership the harder it gets to just stand still and its the money that determine how good you are. Yes you can have a good season but you have to be able to keep up our spending power with bigger clubs to stay with them and we cant keep that up being the 2nd smallest club in the premiership. Our wage bill what we have got to pay the players is all ready out of control and there is no way we can keep on increasing just to stay where we are.because we are a small club. We don't have the quality in the squad or cant afford the quality we need to be an established club in any shape or form. What we are today is a good premiership side like about 14 others and it is them we have to fight against to stay out of the bottom three and just to do that we will have to spend money as all those clubs bar one are bigger clubs than us...... This is where the manager comes in and so far monk is doing a remarkable job keeping us out of the bottom 3 with the limited quality we have to compete with.....
By your own logic Laudrup was doing a remarkable job keeping us out of the bottom 3....on a much smaller wage budget as well
My stalker you dont have a clue what im saying or the brain to understand.......this has nothing to do with any manager this is to do where we are today finacially and can we afford to increase our wage bill to buy quality and would they come to a small club.....There is only a limit the club can achieve and we have reached that spending level and now its all about survival and how long we can keep it going .....
Idiot. We have signed players on a lot more money than our previous Premier League squads; e.g. Gomis (left on a free after his previous club accepted bids of £10-12m.....he pissed them off by turning down all suitors until he found a club willing to stick £8m in his back pocket + fantastic wages....even after his signing on fee is taken into account he still earns approx. £25k a week more than Bony was on when he signed....he probably earns 8 x what Danny Graham was on....Michu was paid £40k a week after his fantastic 1st season. Gomis was handed a near £80k a week contract when he arrived), Ayew (see Gomis....and on a **** load more than Hernandez/Sinclair ), Tabannou (we were competing with other Premier League clubs for his signature, you can be sure he is being paid very well.....certainly a lot more than what Ben Davies or Tiendalli was on) Naughton (if you put Rangel, Tiendalli and Jazz's wages together you still probably wouldn't get to Naughton's weekly wage packet) Fernandez (£7m transfer fee v £2m for Chico v £1m for Amat, he came from Lazio an Argentinian international....Chico and Amat came from obscurity in comparison. You can be sure that he is paid an awful lot more than Chico. Fabianski (Freebie from Arsenal.....nice signing on fee for him plus at least similar wages to what he was on at Arsenal v Vorm £1.5m from Utrecht....Fabianski is on more money than Vorm was. I guarantee it) Cork ( Young English sought after, Premier League proven, midfielder who was already at a bigger club and they wanted him to stay....do we think we are paying him well? v Canas/De Guzman/Allen etc. Nordfeldt (a promising Swedish International wanted by a Dutch top flight side to be their number 1 vs a journeyman keeper fresh from Austrian football, Gerhard Tremmel, as back up?) We are spending more money than ever before, and if you look around the Premier League you will see that unless you are one of the big 6 with hundreds of millions spending doesn't guarantee you a solitary ****ing thing......the fact this group of players we've assembled is playing **** is down to Monk and Monk alone. So let's have a bit less of the excuses, you sound ****ing pathetic.
Sorry all, last time on the subject just for daiswan. You've called Laudrup a totally useless manager, on many occasions. Laudrup walked into camp, had a look around and first of all,sold a high ego winger(Sinclair )to a high ego team ,Man City, at a profit of 4million and for all intents and purposes pays for Michu , ,Chico and Poz. Now we need a winger , does he look to the transfer market , no, he looks to the bench.Laudrup instilled confidence in Routledge and turned him into a star, (The difference between Rodgers and Laudrup as managers can be seen through Wayne Routledge) Three games in we lose Taylor , does Laudrup look to the transfer market , no , he does what he's does a lot , looks to the up and comers within the club and instills confidence in Ben Davies .Ben Davis becomes a star and when he leaves us we get Siggy back for free. We go on to win the League Cup , first Cup ever , and have 40 points with 10 games to play. A very useful manager , to say the very least , to say not is lying to yourself
Be ignorant but you are experiencing now but you cant see it that we have reached our limit and we wont be able to keep up with the big clubs.......you will see that we wont be able to go up another level as a club our size wont and cannot afford too.......We have reached our limit........Until you understand and stop thinking we are a big club who have punched well above our weight by spending on one or two real quality players just to compete that have sent our weekly wage bill out of control then you wont understand the position and the difficulty we are having just to remain at the bottom half of the premiership......There is only a limit we can go to and we are there and i fully understand that we will have to fight along with bigger clubs than us to stay in the premiership for the foreseeing future and that's ok ........Remember we are fighters but it wont be easy from now on in.......
No team is guaranteed to stay in this league, not even with large sums of cash, just look at QPR for an example, and look where Chelsea are at the minute, so size is irrelevant as is the money, taking into account the FFP rules, the playing field has been levelled out some what, so how long have we got to be here to count? we are in our 5th season, and yet some on here still do not consider us as an established Premier league club? I find that view staggering, maybe when the dust has settled some of you will realise that two seasons ago we were kept up by a Rookie manager, which speaks volumes regarding the clubs ability to maintain the status quo, time for you doubters to really get to grip with the strength of this so called small club that will be here next season, season No 6......
It's even more clear to me now daiswan, you really don't know you're arse from a whole in the ground , every post these days is just a bunch of mumble jumbo that makes little sense but hey , fill your boots....you should be running Donald Trumps election campaign , he makes little sense either ..
