There is a bit of a hiatus before our next game ( Covid19 permitting). So I thought would ask my fellow Sunderland fans their views about Woke. It is supposed to indicate an awareness of injustice, particularly about race and it seems trans. An elderly well respected comedian Lipman, is arguing Cancel culture, which seems hand in hand with Woke... is killing comedy. I have not seen any posters on here espouse racist views (just the opposite), although there is disagreement about taking the knee. I suspect any racists would be banned from the brownies. As to 'trans' personally I am a follower of that great feminist Alice Cooper and his song 'Only women bleed'. Although I do not have a problem with previously tortured folk living the gender they feel right about. Thoughts?
Well, it's a matter of politicians cravenly trying to placate a noisy and unrepresentative twitter mob. Clearly there are a very small number of people who are in such torment with their bodies and their sexualities, that they need help . They should ve offered that help when it can and should be given. But we are sliding down the road to nonsense, when we have Sir Kier Starmer saying on live television that it is wrong to say that only a woman has a cervix. Unless he is meaning that animals also have one, he is speaking in blatant contradiction of the biological facts of the matter. I doubt he believed a word of it , and I doubt more than a few per cent of people agree, but he felt obliged, after a number of attempts to avoid the question to say it. Other will follow, on this and other matters, leading to those making rules, enforcing them and bullying any who disagree, to find themselves ever farther away from the people whom they are meant to serve. It won't turn out well.
There is a series currently running on R4 about the culture wars and traces its origins in America, were the English presenter Jon Ronson now lives, it is called Things fell Apart ,does anyone else listen to it and what do they make of it.
said it many years ago, the more of these 'little things' you give to some minority groups, the more they will ask for as the support they get, grows. i am all for equality, whether that be race, sexuality, colour or any other possible prejudice no one should be treated any differently to anyone else (unless their intention is to harm or hurt in any way of course), no one should be bullied for any reason. the problem lies with a lot of groups who now feel that with the worldwide audience they can push for more of what they like to be accepted/legalised/recognised and that becomes problematic when you have such as ****s wanting to be treated the same as gay people in that theirs is also a 'sexual preference' (they do seem to have a problem with 'legal' though)...we see it daily now with the adverts, there were calls that BAME were not represented enough and that escalated to other groups so now it sometimes seems as if every advert must include same sex and mixed race families along with every nationality they can manage to squeeze in. my own feelings are that we have gone too far in the 'not wanting to upset anyone' direction that far too many still feel 'left out', as with everything else there needs to be a balance, life comes with upsets and hardships, it always has and always will but by trying to hide such things and letting the world grow up thinking the rest of life will be all sweetness and light when it most certainly will not be, in my humble opinion, is just as wrong.
I have always treated people as they have treat me. I don't give a toss about people's colour, religion or sexuality. However, I have found that for some people or groups these days it doesn't seem to be enough. They will find some way to ram their views down people's throats via the media and then kick off some more when people complain. What a world this has become
For years, minority sports with good followings begged for just a little TV coverage and got nowhere ... ... now, men dressing up as pantomime dames get their own BBC series and are hailed as heroes. I tear up every demand I get to pay my TV licence and there are many. I worked the doors with a 6'2" bearded transvestite called Trevor, who was a great lad, and accepted by the other bouncers as we all were. He's the only genuine transvestite I've met in half a decade and I honestly believe the drag show programmes are to encourage people to become trans this, that or the other. Is someone so transformed by plastic surgery, injections and anorexia the kind of person our children should aspire to become? please log in to view this image
The only women having a cervix quote you either accept that women can become men or you don't. Biologically they can't but do we accept them as a society as a man and if we do, does that mean men can have a cervix? The cancel culture blew up a little while ago particularly with comedies where white actors had played black characters. Most of the creators of the shows came out and apologised and fair enough it was probably acceptable a bit more 15 - 20 years ago. But if anyone can remember Bo Selecta and the Trisha character he did, that was so blatantly racist I remember being shocked he got away with it even then.
Personal View - using film casting as an analogy Imagine for years that middle-class, hetrosexual white men were the only ones cast in films. Added to that, those same men would sit in smoke filled rooms telling racist jokes and smacking the behinds of their female waitresses and laughing about how not being as "alpha" as them makes you a "****" Then people start to realise that's not the right way to live. Slowly attitudes start to change and more women, people of colour, people of different sexualities and different backgrounds are cast in those roles Suddenly people then decide that isn't enough. Instead of just casting people in the right roles, and giving everyone a fair chance it's time to invert the pyramid. Instead of creating lead characters that are middle class, hetrosexual white men, they start writing more roles for women, people of colour, people of different sexualities and different backgrounds. The phrase "levelling up" starts to be used. Paying back years of discrimination by going over and above to make sure the "minorities" are cast in lead roles - a female Dr Who, a black James Bond, a paraplegic homosexual Harry Potter..... Then the people who used to be cast in those roles - the middle-class, hetrosexual white men start complaining - "why are they casting these people in OUR roles? It's PC gone mad" Then people start looking at the stuff those middle class, hetrosexual white men have said in the past. Suddenly referring to people as ****s, or laughing at ethnic minorities 10 years ago in a tweet isn't deemed acceptable and they are removed from their roles and privileged positions The overall narrative is one of levelling things up and making casting a fair and inclusive process, but in order to change attitudes it's almost become a form of positive affirmation - people getting cast in roles due to their background rather than their ability in order to make up for the past The end product is that the people who used to hold all the power feel marginalised, the people who used to be marginalised now feel that they are being falsely promoted. Just my own interpretation. I think it's absolutely right that "film casting" is an inclusive process and I understand that more weight is shifted towards minorities that leaves the majorities feeling ostracised. More education and collaboration is needed so that people can understand each other's worlds more
Smug. You are a good bloke and I don't want to fall out with you, but that is possibly the most ignorant thing I've ever read on this message board. Or ANY message board
Feel free, it's a free world. I'm expected to accept whatever is thrown at me but if I express an honest opinion, that someone disagrees with, I'm called ignorant. Are you saying there aren't people in the BBC who have agendas ... ... if you believe that's impossible I'd say you've upped the ignorance level quite a bit.
Are you honestly stating someone in the BBC has an "agenda" for there to be more transgender people in the UK? Do you also believe that watching a TV shoe suddenly makes someone think they need a sex change? Honestly? If however, it promotes awareness and in some way "normalises" (hate that word) being a transexual and it encourages someone to be honest about how they feel then maybe it's a good thing
Not at all and that's nothing like what I've said. This is the problem when posting anything on this subject, people become hysterical and start misquoting, exaggerating, etc. And, after the endless scandals in the BBC, if you believe there aren't agendas I'd say that's world class naivety. You're talking as if this has all happened in the recent past when that's totally untrue.
Various I'd imagine. To suggest there aren't agendas in the BBC is like claiming there's no corruption in Downing Street.
This is how I'm going to end up an arm short of a pair lecturing kids on the difference between Citizens and Civilians. The problems we're having at present are caused by the idea that equality or justice requires some kind of revenge first. Usually against people who've done nothing to deserve it. We should all agree that Drag Race is a ****ing awful show. Not because of who's in it, but just because it's crap.
But what agendas? You state that Drag shows are there to encourage people to be "trans" (which are two entirely different things) yet you can't tell me what their agendas are just that there are "various agendas".....
What I said was, 'I honestly believe the drag show programmes are to encourage people to become trans this, that or the other.' That's to say transvestite, transgender, or whatever ... none of which involve sex changes as you felt bound to say. As RuPaul is a very famous, very wealthy person I'd say there'll be many young people who see that lifestyle as attractive. The rewards, for the winner, can be life changing so quite a temptation. I'm giving an honest opinion, based on 50 years of experience, that there are agendas in the BBC ... ... if you choose to believe that opinion is entirely without foundation that's your choice as I said. You have no proof there aren't agendas so you could easily be as wrong as you believe me to be.
I feel there a lot of tick boxes with people at the BBC - take Strictly for example, and I'm including all non dancing professionals in the label "celebrities". You have had someone who's deaf, a gay man of colour paired with another gay professional, an interracial pairing which basically ticked all "woke" boxes.
Not seen any drag programmes, not my cup if tea. I remember some Aussie movie Queen of something, iirc, I quite liked that. Its my belief you cannot make anybody, homosexual, lesbian or trans etc. You are what you are. In that sexuality, or gender could be thought as a spectrum. The vast majority of folk are at either ends, male or female. There are various shades in between, there always have been and will always be.... nobody can make anybody else different to what they are. Atm, the men changing to women seem to retain the worst of masculinity, in that they are very vicious and aggressive and attack anyone who impinges their so called rights. Ie they were not good men on the first place.
And a virtually talentless woman, who's claim to fame is a ludicrous fringe and make up ... ... scooping up £1 million a year of licence payers money
