I thought Jewell said that he had learnt by his mistakes and this time he would be looking at permanent deals for players! Haven't we had enough of loanees? We sold Connor last summer and made a lot of money from the deal why would we be interested now in taking him back? Why should we have to give him the experience and education that Sunderland aren't prepared to give him? I was glad that he left for the money he did as I never saw all the hype myself. He isn't an out and out goal getter more akin to James Scowcroft in my opinion. Lets stick to permanent deals not premiership names and wannabes FFS! It was good while it lasted but I think we should both move on! http://www.twtd.co.uk/news.php?storyid=20689&title=wickham_linked_with_town_return
At least I could wear my Wickham shirt again.! Not sure how I feel about this, if it comes to anything, I see your point about getting our own players in on permenant deals, but apart from CW being a loan he does kinda tick a number of other boxes..
Hoppers we have had 67 players through our doors in 3 years! Doesn't that prove where we are going wrong!
Warky, you know my feelings about jewell, i would be a happy man if he left tomorrow. CW on loan is not in the same mould as most of the other dross we have had on loan is he.? I just posted this on TWTD; Jewell said on Thursday that he has already made enquiries about bringing Premier League players in on loan for next season: âThatâs one route that weâre looking at. FFS jewell.....do you not get it loan players from the prem will not get us to the top end of this league let alone promoted.....Please look lower down the leagues or, maybe abroad for some younger hungrier players, bring them in on permanent deals and aim for a top ten finish next term with a view to promotion 2-3 yrs down the line. More players via the academy let us know this is the plan, as opposed to not having one, you will be surprised how much the fans would get behind you..! Otherwise jewell sod offâ¦! I actually think that jewell has surpassed himself this week with the amount of dross, contradictions etc that he has come out with...smacks of a man who maybe knows he is very close to the exit doors...
The fact is that he hasn't got a vision and a plan for this football club! He is simply clutching at straws. What more proof do you need then yesterdays team selection. He has no idea on how to develop our youngsters and always seems to want to make the easy choices. There is a lot of hard work required at this club which has been decimated by a succession of incompetent managers. Just go back to the Royle era when all we needed was maybe 2 quality additions to get us promoted in 04/05! We now need at least 6 players for next season just to be able to compete in this league. So much for Jewell saying that he didn't want to bring in a large number of players in the close season. It does feel like de ja vu when youn consider that we will have to bring in a whole new spine to the team as a minimum requirement! Jewell has done his best but unfortunately for us and for him his best isn't good enough. We badly need a plan and a vision from someone who knows what they are doing. I think it will be another long summer with very little movement until the last minute when the panic sets in.
I'd take Wickham ALL DAY LONG on loan. Could play the position occupied with Murphy offering plenty more in every single area. He's a threat and in a more withdrawn role could cause problems. I thought it must be a possibility, time will tell though !
I'm not too sure where I stand on this. I'm not the biggest fan of loans but I think it's just a fact of football now, every manager we've had has relied on loans in the past 10 years!! Anyone remember Alan Mahon and Chris Bart Williams, all managers do it? You want maximum of one or 2 players. Due to us needing a fairly large amount of players to come in in the summer I can see us needing to get a couple in. There's no doubt we need to stop the merry go round of players but unfortunately how the club was managed for a couple of years means that this had had to continue this summer and last summer. We do need a Wickham style player to come in next season, someone with a bit of height and physical presence upfront but whilst I wouldn't be totally against it I think we need someone with a bit more knowhow than Wickham, he's just a raw talent and I think whilst he does have potential, I'm not sure he will make it too the top. I think although it would have been nice to keep him for one or two more seasons for us and for himself I think when we had an offer of £8 million come in for him, we did the right thing. JWM you're right he's not really a out and out goalscorer, there's a bit more to his game I would've kept Rhodes over him anyday. Natural goalscorers are few and far between, every single club in the world is looking for one. Whilst I am not for loan deals, Hoppers I would be interested to know which player this season has been dross for us on loan, none of them were bad players?
McCarthy in goal was dross, Murphy has never really been any better than ok, Wabara was not dross, but the fact jewell barely used him was a pointless loan deal, Stockdale with a 24hr recall was an idiotic arrangement to enter into. Ok maybe they were not dross on the whole as players but the way we used them/arrangement was dross..! Collins & Edwards were both ok/good deals shame they did not want to stay, so maybe there is a case for 1-2 loan deals a season so long as we use them correctly.
The odd loan player can be a very useful acquisition. I'd take Andrews or Dos Santos in a heartbeat. But it needs to be: this good player is available to us, not: we need to plug a gap (or in recent years, we need to plug the big gaping hole in our squad). Wickham, as a permanent signing for around £1.5m, I'd take him back. I wouldn't mind seeing him line up week in week out with Chops. As a loan though, forget it, he's not going to build a partnership with a striker on loan, it'll just be a mess as usual.
Yes I agree with you there Hoopers. They weren't used in the best ways this season. I can see it being a bit better next year, although we need alot of players in, we have more of a base of a good team than we did last summer and I think Jewell has had chance to look at what players he wants rather than just complete panic buying or going for so called proven quality(old)!! I take it you mean Andrews not Edwards?
Glad you get your kicks outta something like that, there's hope for us all yet!! Nice input btw to what was a decent conversation as per.
No I don't disagree it was just an unneccessary comment, when actually these boards have been slightly more civil, you have to post something like that!! It was just snide and picky!! It really really p*sses me off!! Anyway back to the point yes he was pretty poor for us but he may well go on to be a decent keeper.
Well Jesus PTC. Before you asked Hoppers which players were dross did you actually take a moment to think in your mind about the players we've had? On the whole our loan signings over the last few years have added nothing. The big exceptions were Andrews and Bullard and maybe Colback, but weve had Livermore, O'Dea, Murphy, Townsend, Stockdale... a huge list and frankly wed have been better playing our own kids than any of those. I would also love to know where you intend to find this young striker with the height and attributes of Mr Wickham but with a few more years' experience? Im sorry but you do post some ridiculous stuff fairly frequently. Stop taking it personally, you should see all the ammunition I've given the budgies over the years with predictions and comments I've made
Yes I did think about the players on loan we've had in the past year and none of them were actually that bad perhaps with the exception of McCarthy who i did forget about. Murphy whilst not setting the world alight has actually been pretty decent this season and very solid, he does a good shift for the team and Stockdale although letting in alot of goals was a good player. What I am saying is that although I'm not a fan of loans none of the loanees we've had this year have been bad players. Infact if you compare some of Jewell's loan players to some of Keane's and ever Royle's he compares fairly well just throwing a few names out there, Tony Dinning, Adam Proudlock, Jay McEverly, Stern John, O'Dea, Rory Fallon. As for Livermore and Townsend, I think they are both very good footballers and would quite happily have them back in our team, unfortunately Keane wasn't actually a fan of players who tried to play football and had a bit of skill on the ball. I am unaware of any players myself out there, but there are players out there, I mean a target man someone in the mould of Ricky Lambert or dare i say Grant Holt, or an Alan Lee style player who may not have the skill or ability like Wickham but understands the game more, has that little bit of know how!! Fortunately I do not think i have said as much ridiculous things as you, so have given little ammunition for people to come back at me with, good luck at finding it!! I do take it slightly personally mainly because most of the things I say are ridiculed at the time by people such as yourself, spanish etc but most of those things actually come true, yet I get told I talk dross and insulted. It was just a comment that wasn't needed and not what these sites are for, if I want to have so called 'banter' i'll get it somewhere else, not on here!!
Quick get the ****ing tissues out, Ptc is breaking my heart, please everybody stop picking on this poor boy!! After all, he talks more sense than all of us and most of the things he says come true, LMFAO!!!
