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Why should wolves have expectations that we don't?

Discussion in 'Bristol City' started by ADremembered, Jun 14, 2013.

  1. ADremembered

    ADremembered Member

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    Just read SOD's 'motivational' piece in the BEP, why are we being told to expect 'more pain' and that we are going to 'promote from within'? We let a keeper go, who should have been good enough at this level in Gerkin, shafted young carey and have already written off any under 18's keepers, so where is the 'promote from within'?

    Wolves have dropped from Premiership to league one and SOD says they should expect to be challenging, however 'we are not like this' WTF does that mean?

    I have said in an earlier post that we are being conned in that we are planning to be in the top ten or so all season, and threaten to get into the playoffs, this will almost garantee fairly good gates, I also expect (draws permitting) that we will have a good cup run in the JPT or similar as this will also produce a money spinner if we get into the later stages.

    Our club owners and controllers are happy to be a bigger fish in a small pond, I already feel flat about the rhetoric coming from BS3 and SOD in particular, can someone give me seeds of hope??:(
     
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  2. JamboBCFC

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    Mostly because Wolves get £16m in parachute payments next year and currently have a wage bill of £25m. If you can't get promoted from league one with that kind of money you never will. Surely we're only going to promote from within if the players are actually good enough. Regarding Carey, players get released from every club, if he isn't good enough then we're not a charity to keep paying him regardless. Similarly Gerken will have been on pretty decent money so could be a combination of SOD not rating him or him wanting more money than he's actually worth.

    Personally I much rather have a manager who tells it as it is rather than being told we're going to win the league then having everyone on here calling for SODs head before Christmas when we're not 10 points clear. We have 14 players that are in contract and take up a huge chunk of the wage bill, thankfully most are out of contract end of this season then there will finally be a team managed and chosen by SOD. Until then we have to hope the drop in division means the likes of Kilkenny, Pearson etc are adequate because I would be astonished if we can sell them given their wages and performances last year.
     
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  3. OTIB

    OTIB Well-Known Member

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    i reckon he is just playing down expectations

    we will get promoted, but it may take 2 3 or 4 seasons
     
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  4. hawkmoonfy2

    hawkmoonfy2 Well-Known Member

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    The reason is simple M O N E Y they have it due to the parachute payments and a larger fan base. More fans = More cash and due to the 60% salary cap no one can directly add money to the club to increase the wages we can pay, the only way to do that is to increase our income from Fans in the form of season tickets , Gate money, TV money and Sponsorship but because we have dropped a division probably all of those sources of income will decrease.

    Until we can get rid of the players who have been rubbish but remain on our books the hands of the manager are somewhat tied, I read somewhere a fan saying why doesn't Steve Lansdown pay off those players the answer is simple the money paid to get rid of those players still counts towards the 60% of turnover so you've got shot of say 2-4 players and you can't bring anyone in to replace them.
     
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  5. smhbcfc

    smhbcfc Well-Known Member

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    Wolves are a bigger club than us - FACT (as Rafa would say).

    We also have to appreciate that we are going to sort out our financial position, while Wolves will stop at nothing to get back at the Championship - fine if it works for them, but dangerous if they don't.
     
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  6. hawkmoonfy2

    hawkmoonfy2 Well-Known Member

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    This however does not mean that we will not be competative this year we could well be top ten or even play off contenders but we have to realise that it is by no means a given S O'D has to do what the last 3 managers failed to do get performances out of some of our players if we are to have any chance of being in the mix at the top of the table.

    Mind you this could all change if some of our contracted players move to other clubs this will free up wages and the transfer fees will add to the clubs income thereby increasing the number of players we can sign, we have 4 major assets at the club in the form of players, Adomah, Cunningham, and Davies and Baldock to a lesser degree plus Elliott, Kelly, Moloney and Pearson now Kelly and Moloney due to when they were signed are unlikely to move on as they do not, as I understand it, count towards the 60% rule as they were signed in the window immediately before the relegation. Some of the other Players such as Kilkenny and Fontaine due to their poor performances last season are hardly likely to get many clubs after their services but if someone did decide to take one or both that would be ideal for City as we could replace them with players better suited and on lower wages.
     
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  7. hawkmoonfy2

    hawkmoonfy2 Well-Known Member

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  8. Red Robin

    Red Robin Well-Known Member

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    I would take second spot no problem <monster><monster>
     
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  9. invermeremike

    invermeremike Well-Known Member

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    I also saw some worrying aspects to the release by Sean that makes me wonder what's happening but I suppose we need to stay positive BUT!
     
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  10. smhbcfc

    smhbcfc Well-Known Member

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    Wolves and Sheff U will have bigger budgets than us - I guess it's up to SoD to do what he can
     
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  11. hawkmoonfy2

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    I think I said this before but if S O'D can get a team with Kilkenny, Foster, Pearson and Fontaine in it promoted I will believe he can walk on cider.
     
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  12. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    Are you serious ??? If are not top 10 in L1 then we might as well all give up












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  13. hawkmoonfy2

    hawkmoonfy2 Well-Known Member

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    Are you serious ??? If are not top 10 in L1 then we might as well all give up

    Why give up I'd rather see a year of team building in L1 this season so we have a chance of going up and progressing in the future than start a yoyo period again. After following City for nearly 60 years I'm sort of used to relegations and everyone saying we'll be back next year it does NOT usually happen that way. With the players I think we will be left with, after the best are probably going to be cherry picked, It is going to be a huge job to rebuild a winning team, Strip Adomah, Cunningham, Davies and Baldock from what we have at the moment and the cupboard is very bare indeed. We have signed Flint and Wynter which is a plus and we are waiting to see who the first choice keeper is going to be, that in itself could make a massive difference to confidence and optimism around BS3 but until the players arrive how can we say failure to get Promotion is a failure? This year could be the year of rebuilding in fact it has to be, which is why I say I would rather we spent this year getting it right. If that means we get Promoted great, fantastic but if we don't it's not the end of the world in footballing terms that would be the Gas lording it over us in the Prem and us in the Basement.

    Think about it dispationately what would you rather have a team that yoyo's between the second and third tier or a team that goes up and is fighting at the top end of the second tier to get into the EPL I know what I would prefer and that could/probably will take time there are no magic wands in the real world of football unlike Football Manager/FIFA 13/Championship Manager where you can stop the game and replay a match until you get it right. When I got the FM game first I played with the players that City had no changes we finished 18th I played it again having made 5 changes in personel we finished as champions No manager in the real world has that luxury of being able to use hindsight to go back and do it again.
     
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  14. RedorDead

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    I said in a previous thread that we need to be patient and that a top 10 finish next season would be the best to expect. We still have a majority of the ****e that relegated us. I think we will be league one next season along with the Gusheads, have a good season with promotion that season.
    When I said these comments I was shot down with comments that we will be top two next year. But do you really want to win promotion Fontaine and Kilkenny then get extended contracts due to getting us back up? No I would rather a top ten and they **** off.
     
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  15. hawkmoonfy2

    hawkmoonfy2 Well-Known Member

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    Why should wolves have expectations that we don't?
    Parachute payments
    £13.8 million towards their wage bill, plus another £9.2 towards transfer fees and that's before any other revenue is taken into account I think that's a good enough reason.
     
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  16. Shinycitylad7

    Shinycitylad7 Looking at the stars mate

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    I don't think they would get contract extensions ROD. No matter if we stay up or go down, The management and board are not stupid enough to offer these ****ers contracts again
     
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  17. hawkmoonfy2

    hawkmoonfy2 Well-Known Member

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    You sure about the board on that Shiny:emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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  18. hawkmoonfy2

    hawkmoonfy2 Well-Known Member

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    But anyway I hope it is Burt who is handling things like that now
     
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  19. RedorDead

    RedorDead Well-Known Member

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    I know some say Kilkenny was supost to be ok in league one, but I will be seriously pissed off if he has a good season and we extend his contract.
     
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  20. hawkmoonfy2

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    I hope he has a great first half of the season so some other club would offer to buy him, Wolves perhaps then he can go back to playing his usual crap.
     
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