I thought I'd start a discussion on the follies of football supporters and please nobody take that personally. The first match of the season in the vast majority of cases doesn't tell us too much but here are many of you making predictions already. Liverpool lose 3-0 away and then face the champions and draw. So what does that tell us? Many of you thought that Liverpool would get hammered but you seem to forget that City went behind at home conceding 2 goals in the process of a very close win against a newly promoted side. Fulham win 5-0 away and then lose to Utd so what does that tell us? Already AVB is being shredded after only two matches in charge. You are left with egg on your faces if you predict so early into the season because it's impossible to see who is doing what yet. Calm down and wait a while to see how teams are progressing. There's venom on the mouser thread. Again lads calm down. Let's get into the season and see what happens. If it's any use I'm quite hopeful after the start we've made losing only to a penalty. Do you remember Wolves riding high after the first three matches last season and then down and down again they went? It's too early lads.
I think with some supporters it's more about displaying their 'superior' knowledge of the game than any other consideration. They're pretty thick skinned and fail to notice the egg when it arrives and just continue providing us with their 'wisdom'. You make a good point TMT
I don't have much time for avb so it doesn't take much for me to "turn" on the guy and thats because he irritates me, his interviews grate on me and he is overly serious about tactics (but still gets it wrong) and I don't rate his methods but yes its too early to worry....that is if you're not too concerned by his appointment. I on the other hand have tried to remain relaxed on the matter, which was easy pre season and the build up to the season but now the season is here, its easy to remember why I dreaded the thought of avb becoming our manager! Dramatic, maybe.....ok yes.....but if I don't rate a manager or like his personality then he has to convince me, and until that happens I'll be overly critical of his ways, especially if he makes odd decisions.
Thanks Spurf,so do you. Boss,this isn't just about AVB,it's why supporters make judgements so early on. I advised care on the Liverpool result but there others predicting a thrashing at this stage after the first match. I don't think City will be as effective this season having conceded 4 goals in two matches but I'm not predicting individual scores yet as results are so diverse as in Fulham and Utd as an example.
That's called pre-judging Boss or 'prejudice' which is always a bad move but it's a practice very commonly used in all walks of life. The wise man withholds his judgement until in possession of enough information to form an opinion of his own that has some basis in truth.
I guess in regards to City, they don't look themselves at the moment, silva doesn't seem on form, aguero injured, lescott and kompany aren't fully fit, richards is out, much like man utd.....they are having a slow start by their standards, both clubs are BUT their fans know come the end of the season it will between them for the title. For the rest of the league, we all have certain expectations, hopes and while early season form doesn't win anything, it does set the way for how fans are going to view their team, until performances change. The funny thing was last season, after we got thumped, I was still positive as I had a degree of belief in the team and management so I guess it comes down to how fans view the team and management, do they believe they will turn it round. As for predictions, it is hard to guage what will happen, most fans thought city would thump southampton and take a look at the qpr board, 95% of their fans expected them to hit the ground running yet they got thumped 5-1! Lucky i'm not a betting man as the bookies would love me!
Possibly, but I just go with my instinct on these things, and as fans it doesn't matter if we rate or don't rate avb...as whatever happens, win lose or draw, we all have the same emotions.
One of the reasons prediction games in football are popular is that any one game is entirely unpredictable. Football always throws up unexpected results and that's one of the reasons we all love the game so much. Spurs have shown enough quality to have won both opening games but failed to win either, that's football.
Don't get your point Boss! Some are angry, some are resigned, some are optimistic, some aren't. Different emotions?
I mean if we win, lose or draw the initial emotion is the same, regardless of what we feel about avb, as when we screwed up agaisnt west brom, were the avb fans thinking "ah its ok, early days", no we was all pissed off that we conceded a late goal. Its the post match discussion when everyone has a chance to "moan" or think too much that opinions differ and some are more relaxed, while some fans worry. Then comes the start of the next game, I won't be thinking about avb, all I'll be concerned about is how we perform and getting behind the team. I'll save the slating for later on
Thanks get it now. I hope you have to bin your slate but if not it remains to be seen how long before I join you.
As far as my summary threads go they're more the start of a library of factual information for reference later on, surely a necessity to form accurate opinion later on. I can rest assure the content will be equally complimentary when there's something to compliment. The thing fo me is that both games so far show no difference in the overall pattern and outcome of many games last season. Our opponents soon worked out how to cancel our fast counterattacking football, by choosing to defend deep meaning we had to break them down and play through them which we were not very good at...with Modric and with Ade. This season we're choosing to play that way. If thats not subject for immediate debate I don't know what is. Just saying things as I see it on the day, if its an AVB mistake imo so be it, but like I said when he gets it right he'll get his back patted.
Extrapolating future results based on previous results is perfectly valid in football. please log in to view this image It's not a football thing. It's more general than that. Everyone does it.
Boss,you say City aren't themselves,well maybe they are,maybe this is the City of this season as opposed to last season. 4 goals conceded in two matches,what if it continues? It's just too early to say yet. Inda,Chelsea are off on a flier with 3 penalties,an offside goal and a keeping error and sit top after three matches but it's much too early to extrapolate so I'm not sure what point you are making there. I'm sure Chelsea supporters are blind with glee and are predicting already. Well I've seen Chelsea do this before and finish lower.
I don't make my actual prediction for the lge until after the first game post-window, because I know how tricky it is to assess teams, particularly Spurs, till all the business is done and we've seen at least one game with the new squad. I'm happy to talk about how I feel ATM, and ATM with this squad I would go 9/11th, but surely ENIC will see some belated sense and get a few players in. I admit I have gone out on a limb and said Arsenal will finish above us this season, so no turning back on that one for me. In fact I almost know for certain now I won't be predicting top 4 for us, because no way can I see us getting the 4/5 players we need for me to see that happening.
Spot on Luke. I've also noticed that fans think that the match is over after 10 minutes if a team goes 1-0 up. There's still 80 minutes left. I don't mind other team's supporters having egg on their chops but I don't like my fellow Spurs supporters making predictions and then being proved wrong.
Sadly AVB's Chelsea career is subconsciously in the minds of many. I think there is a lot less pressure and expectation at Spurs and with that will come more patience. AVB should be allowed to start a fresh and build his own squad before he can be judged.
With all the drama of last season's final games (including the chelsea win) and the turmoil, confusion and down to earth stupidity of our pre-season (including the Modric affair). Could we really have expected any more then what we have got........... I think not.
I expected four points from the first two games and a minimum of two, had ENIC done the business that was obviously required earlier, there's no reason why we couldn't have those extra points in the bag. It's true they may have cost us an extra £6 million or so, but the teams that are serious about winning the big trophies are prepared to back their clubs with serious money, ours isn't. Chelsea have an eight point lead on us already, City are three in front, Utd two in front. Those are the clubs that will be battling it out for the title and will represent England's best hopes in the CL - we won't figure in either.
The point I was making... It's human nature to judge things based on limited information, such as Spurs' season after one result. My graph is silly, and that is obviously so and yet people are making similar assumptions. Human nature is difficult to change and good luck for trying.
