Wycombe Wanderers 1990â1995 Winners Football Conference â 1993 FA Trophy â 1991, 1993 Division 3 PlayâOff Winners â 1994 Leicester City 1995â2000 Winners First Division Play-off Winners â 1995â96 League Cup â (2) 1997, 2000 Runners-up League Cup â 1999 Celtic 2000â2005 Winners SPL Championship (3) â 2000â01, 2001â02, 2003â04 Scottish Cup (3) â 2001, 2004, 2005 Scottish League Cup (1) â 2000â01 Runners-up UEFA Cup Runner-Up â 2002â03 Scottish Cup â 2002 Scottish League Cup â 2002â03 SPL Championship (2) â 2002â03, 2004â05 Aston Villa 2006â2010 Runners-up League Cup â 2010 Leicester He joined Leicester City immediately after leaving Norwich. They won the Football League Cup under O'Neill in 1997 and 2000, as well as reaching the 1999 final of the competition. They finished ninth in 1997, tenth in 1998 and 1999, and eighth in 2000. The two League Cup triumphs saw them qualify for the UEFA Cup each time. Celtic O'Neill left Leicester on 1 June 2000, taking over from the team of John Barnes and Kenny Dalglish to become manager of Celtic, who had finished runners-up to Old Firm rivals Rangers in both of their previous seasons; in the season just gone, they had finished 20 points behind the champions. In that first season O'Neill's Celtic won the domestic treble, the first time the club had done so since 1969. He was the first Celtic manager to take the team into the revamped Champions League (a feat he managed three times). He guided Celtic to the 2003 UEFA Cup Final in Seville, which Celtic lost 3â2 in extra time, to a Porto side coached by José Mourinho. In his five seasons at Celtic Park, O'Neill won three League titles, three Scottish Cups, and a League Cup. He also oversaw a record 7 consecutive victories in Old Firm derbies, and in season 2003â04 Celtic created a British record of 25 consecutive victories.[7] O'Neill's last competitive game in charge of Celtic was the Scottish Cup final 1â0 victory over Dundee United on 28 May 2005, decided by an eleventh minute goal by Alan Thompson. Celtic's record under O'Neill, was winning 213, drawing 29 and losing 40, of 282 games played. Villa Once again Villa finished 6th for the 3rd season running, and once again improved their points tally finishing with 64 points; their poor home form (they drew 8 times at home) denied them a chance to qualify for the UEFA Champions League. Aston Villa reached their first final under Martin O'Neill, and first final in 10 years on 28 February 2010 against Manchester United in the Carling Cup, but lost 2â1.[16] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This is why it HAS to be Martin O'Neill for me. He has the pedigree, the background and the achievements/silverware to show his worth. He has that 'Cloughie' touch of being able to get the best from all his players, even ones you wouldnt think were any good. He could transform our already decent squad into a decent team IMO and its just a no brainer. He has won trophies, titles and been to European Cup Finals as player and most importantly as a manager. He knows how to win. PS - here are Bruce's managerial achievements during this time. You decide lads and lasses. Its not rocket science is it? Club Birmingham City Football League Championship Runner-up: 2006â07 Play-off winner: 2002
No ****ing way. You can eliminate Celtic straight off, and the outside the Premier League stuff. That leaves you 2 league cup wins with Leicester (Birmingham won that last season, Boro won it under Mclaren) He spent huge amounts at Villa, then whinged and pleaded poverty. Villa played poor football under him, despite having Young, Downing etc, defensive as ****, counter attacking, imagine our squad trying to play that way, we'd be ****ED. I'd be FURIOUS if we appointed the moaning little ****e.
100% disagree mate. He took Celtic to a UEFA cup final? Is that ****e? Really? He won 2 cups with Leicester and lost one taking them into Europe twice? He took a struggling Villa and got them top 6 finishes 3 years on the trot? The same set of players were then almost relegated when he left and he only left because Lerner went back on promises he made to him. I would leave my company if they promised me something one minute and then didn't deliver the next. O Neill is the ONLY credible alternative and his stats back that up. All these big European names will just use is as Gyan and Bent did to get somewhere else very quickly. I'm not sure which Sunderland team you have been watching over the past 30 odd years BB, but the one I have been watching have won **** all, been relegated more times than a whore sucks cock and never played 2 games in Europe which I wasnt able to see. I'm not sure why you seem to think having a piece of what MON brings is so bad for a club starved of ANY kind of success for nearly 40 years. I'd take 2 cup wins and 2 seasons in Europe over the utter ****e I have had to watch for 36 years.
I just don't think that MON would be willing to put up with all the ****e from supporters that inevitably comes with the Sunderland job when things go wrong.
Cest, McLaren took Boro to the UEFA final, shall we chuck his hat in the ring? The Celtic side O'Neill inherited contained a certain Mr Henrik Larsson. He could lift any team up a level, he didn't need a manager to do that. O'Neill's only marked success for me was at Leicester, where he did wonderfully well. The game has changed beyond belief since then, and like RAW mentions, i don't think he has the bottle for it.
What is it with this line of post constantly? Do you really think we are the only club with supporters that get ****ed off with **** managers and failing regimes? EVERY single football fan up and down the nation and beyond into the world, moans and twists and falls out with managers and players that under-perform. We are not unique at all. You're putting down SAFC fans for having an opinion when its all gone tits up that differs from yours. I could say that its this constant willingness to support managers that are clearly beyond their ability and comfort zone and failing to deliver that has held this club back for 40 years. Maybe a little less sympathy and a helluva lot more vitriol would have seen the powers to be be more proactive over the decades and a lot less heartache may have befallen the club. Did you also soundly back the likes of Buxton, Butcher, Crosby, Wilko and Sbragia just because some numpty said they could play at being the Sunderland manager? If you were then you deserved all the utter tripe they delivered. Would Everton, Villa or Spurs fans put up with any of those managers and the brand of football they delivered? I think not but we bloody well did. If it isn't working do something, anything but dont just sit back and hope for the best RAW. It never happens that way. Bruces record over the past 9 months and especially at home, is as bad as any of those utter tools were and I dont want to watch it anymore.
Unquestionably though Cest, SAFC fans, and a wide portion of the city in general, are negative as ****. Sooner shoot down than build up cos it's the easier option. It happens all the time, and was a big factor in me leaving the city aged 19. It's not everywhere, i've lived Manchester & Leeds for periods, and you don't feel it there at all.
If you can offer me a better alternative (and a realistic one, not some big European name that simply wont come) then I will be interested to hear it. Moyes isn't coming either as why would he? He is destined for a top 4 or 5 club in the next 12 months and I'm not sure we're a top 14 club yet. I'd like to know what it is about his track record that makes him so unsuitable for us as well? Is it his ability to win things and be successful that intimidate some supporters? Have we become so immune to winning that the very thought of it frightens us? O Neill is a born winner like his mentor Clough was. The similarities are striking. Both didn't care less for public relations and often alienated people and fans but you knew what, the fans watching cup winners and title winners didn't care a ****e either. I dont want personality of the year I want a winner. MON fits that bill perfectly.
He just doesn't Cest, i don't know where you are getting this illusion from at all mate. Hughes or Poyet are the most realistic, and i'd take either of them over MON in a blink.
I'm born and bred in Chester le Street mate and have an unbelievable can do attitude. What I also have is an intolerance of wastes of space of which we as a club have employed a vast amount both as players and managers. To be honest, Man Utd and Leeds Utd fans have had a canny bit to celebrate over the past 40 years, unlike ourselves who have not. I think SAFC fans have been the most patient in the whole world. 40 years of mainly garbage and yet we still turn up in droves. Maybe my patience at 46 is just a bit thinner than yours but I'm ****ing sick of hearing excuses and bull **** from successive managers, players and owners. Maybe I am a little less tolerant these days for sure but hell knows I have been patient for 30 years waiting for the ****ers we constantly employ to deliver something to shout about. They never have. I'm tired of waiting just for a team that can comfortably hold its own at this level without dabbling with relegation as we have done AGAIN under Brcue for 3 years. I wanted MON 10 years ago but especially pre Keane. We have an opportunity to get him now and we cant let it go this time. Surely we cant.
3 things about MON 1: he spent 140 miilion @ Aston Villa and could only manage 6th, since he left, they have spent another 60 million, in the last 14 years, yes before he went and after he left, they have only made a profit in 1 season, this one of 20 million, all the rest have been deficits, he spent the cash, couldnt take them any further without more cash, spat his dummy out when told he had enough, and left. 2: Age, he is 59 now, you say a big european manager will only use us as a stepping stone, thats fine, but at least they wont retire in a few years (ok we may get 6 but everyone or most say, a manager needs 3-5 years to make a team, by the time he makes it, he will be retired) 3: He has already turned us down once (if you believe the media but pretty sure he did), why go back for him when he didnt want to manage us a few years back, when he would have had cash, they gave keane it, they would have give him it. I am not saying he is a bad manager, I just dont think he is what we need tbh.
There are always two sides to if somebody wants Martin O'Neill at the club they support. Some people think, yeah, he's a good manager, get him in, and some people think, he's not good enough, ignore him! I thought the OP had quit the forum, coming back makes it look like one of those pathetic soap comebacks.
I cant, no idea who but would hope someone on high would know. Just dont fancy MON, never have. Just giving an honest opion Cest, sorry if I let you down.
I agree with Cest here...O'Neil would be my choice all day long. If thats not possible then Mark Hughes. anyone but this hapless fool we have right now. With Bruces record over the last 6 months or so...not one single club would have stuck by him....would love to know why Short and Quinn are standing by this guy when good quality unattached managers are ready to be appointed.
Neither Hughes nor Poyet have done anything anywhere near O'Neil as a manager. Poyet is doing a canny job sure but he's never managed at the top level. Brighton as a whole are riding the crest of a wave with all the off field shackles being broken and the prospect of the new stadium elevated the whole club. If you questioning O'neil surely you have more questions for Hughes??
Ill be honest I didnt rate O'Neill at Villa. He had the ingredients of a very good team and they failed time after time in the premiership. Not to mention he has a very unhealthy obsession with a certain Emile Heskey.
His stats? 3 cup finals in 5 years and 2 wins at Leicester. A UEFA Cup final with Celtic. 3 top 6 finishes in a row are not made up mate. They are fact. His record, outside SAF, Wenger and Mourinho in the past 10 years in the EPL is second to none. Even Moyes cant boast of the achievements or trophies MON has? What makes you so sure about him? He could be good but he hasn't won a Dickie bird in 8 years at Everton and he won bugger all at Preston before that? Not even promotion. MON has a trophy laden management cabinet for a man that has managed clubs outside that money rich top 4 sector. He was able to challenge the mighty Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd with a fraction of the resources available and thats what we could do with a large slice of. Thats where we fit in. We dont have a load of money but we are comfortable and would have some investment potential for a new man. I have no doubts at all at his ability. Whether you like him personally is immaterial really but you can't deny his achievements as a manager in the way you do, not without sounding a bit daft mate. If you dont like the man? Fine. But try and make out he is a ****e manager because you dont like him is another thing altogether.
