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Who will be taking us into next season?

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  1. Tickler

    Tickler Well-Known Member

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    http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport...allardyce-not-on-sunderland-s-radar-1-7261934


    WEST HAM manager Sam Allardyce is NOT under consideration to be the next Sunderland head coach, the Echo understands.

    Former Sunderland defender Allardyce is the second favourite with the bookmakers to be the long-term successor to Gus Poyet, with the Black Cats due to consider their options when Dick Advocaat’s short-term contract expires at the end of the season.

    "Sunderland are keen to continue with the head coach / director of football model, despite that system so far failing to progress the club from an annual relegation battle"

    Allardyce’s deal at Upton Park expires next month and with big doubts over whether he will be offered the chance to stay with the Hammers, the 60-year-old is likely to be available this summer.

    “It all depends on the negotiations - talks about me, the staff, the players, the budget,” said Allardyce yesterday when asked on his chances of penning a new West Ham contract.

    But it is understood that Allardyce is not one of the names Sunderland are contemplating for the summer, regardless of which the division the Black Cats are in.

    Sunderland are keen to continue with the head coach/director of football model, despite that system so far failing to progress the club from an annual relegation battle.

    It is not thought that Allardyce would fit into that framework, with Sunderland on the look-out for a coach, rather than a traditional manager.

    Real Madrid assistant Paul Clement - a former colleague of Sunderland sporting director Lee Congerton at Chelsea - is far more of a natural fit, and is understood to have been on the club’s radar for several months.

    With speculation continuing over Carlo Ancelotti’s future at Real Madrid after the Spanish giants’ Champions League elimination on Wednesday night, Clement could be available this summer too, albeit there are several clubs interested in his services.

    Advocaat, himself, remains the odds-on favourite to take the Sunderland job on a long-term basis.

    But there are still over whether the 67-year-old - who has confirmed this will be his last job in football - would be willing to stay on, while Sunderland’s original plan was always to make a long-term appointment at the end of the season.

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    Anyone else think ruling Big Sam out is a bad idea?
    Personally think if there was one to persevere with and allow him to get his team in then surely he would bring about some stability and improvement within the club. Although he would require money to spend he surely could transform us into a performing club with an aim of gradually aiming for Europa League

    Said he doesnt agree with the DOF role however I'm sure it could be worked around

    Seems very strange to rule him out!

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    Would hope Allardyce/McClaren are the ones being sought after first!
     
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  2. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    Nope, football is evolving, Big Sam isn't. Dick for a year with Clement as no2 and to move up to head coach at the end of next season for me. Failing that just bring Clement in and maybe Dick could be his no2 or at least take up a temporary consultant role. Failing that just bring Clement in.

    Besides we've no pacy natural wingers and our strikers are **** in the air, we'd have to make wholesale changes to cater to big Sam's extremely short book of tactics. I don't want **** but effective football, I want good effective football. A dinosaur who's stuck in the past, who's never evolved himself will only hold us back. Sam is strolling towards extinction.
     
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  3. jdsafc

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    He didn't do too badly at West Ham this season, and I didn't think the style of play was too much like kick and rush either.

    This DoF model has done us no favours since it was implemented - 2 failures. Lets hope its 3rd time lucky then
     
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  4. Brian Storm

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    His style is out and out wingers whipping crosses in. Not my cup of tea. I like inside forwards with wingbacks bringing the width. Purely a matter of tactical preference for me.

    It well and good putting down the DoF system but we've been ****e long before that was ever implemented, Since it's been implemented we've been shackled with debts and penny pinching from before we had one. I'm still on the fence, I want to see congerton with a proper budget before I decide if he or the system is failing. At the moment there's just too many factors carried over from the previous set up to judge fairly. But whether a person loves it or hates it, it matters not. It's here to stay, at least for the foreseeable future.
     
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    I disagree, seen this season that he can play the tiki taka style football that everyone seems to crave but if thats not working he has an actual plan b, reverts to long ball and getting the ball in the box

    we've needed a manager for a few years that actually has a plan B, i dont think he would be a bad appointment at all

    I must admit I'd like Dick working for the club in some capacity, as an advisor to Paul Clement it may work, or maybe in a scouting role based in Holland
     
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    Yes, I think it was the disaster that occurred when O'Neil was put in charge of the lot that caused Short and Byrne to favour the DoF model.

    Regardless of manager / DoF we need to get some under achieving high earners off the wage bill in the summer so we can buy what we need rather than make do with what we can afford
     
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  7. Nads

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    I stand by McLaren as my pick, if Dick doesn't wanna stay.

    As others have mentioned Dick getting Clement ready for a year seems perfect.
     
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    I'll take a slightly younger Dick that can stick around a bit longer. Dont think anyone fits the Dick mould.
     
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    We have to start calling him Richard man. 'fits the Dick mould' hahahahaha.
     
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    How about Dickie?
     
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    ---------)?
     
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    I'd certainly like to see Advocaat oversee a transition to a Clement-type younger bloke. Makes sense to me.

    The Allardyce bird has long since flown IMHO...
     
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  13. Brian Storm

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    back at ya fella <laugh><confused>
     
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    Nads Well-Known Member

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    Hahahaha. Let's stop that right there mate ;)
     
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    Safe to say all that went over my head <laugh>
     
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    Teenage girl stuff mate (although I'm 30 ****ing 5 in 2 weeks...).
     
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    No one on that list fills me with enthusiasm, except one.

    I'm showing a complete lack of imagination in not being able to see anyone past old eggnog!

    Or someone very much of that style and experience.
     
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    Beat Leicester tomorrow and it'll be 'King Dick'
     
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    Need go stop Dick-king about!
     
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