Come on guys....we have gone off the beaten track here..........The Pompey Saga is on another thread somewhere and should be discussed on that. Everyone can accept the odd comment that goes off topic but this has turned into a full time discussion. Please can we return to the original topic or the thread will have to be closed or moved or both!! Non of us want that as it is or can be an interesting topic for dicussion and I don't mean about Pompey!
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I am not going to pontificate until the fat lady sings, I still have respect for decent Pompey fans, there are more good than bad, I would prefer to keep the old rivalry, but at my age it isn't looking all that likely that we will get to play each other in the near future, unless survival is secured and then we may at least get the chance of a Cup tie.
Well said beddy, lets keep on track and keep the insults down.
My basic point is that a 4th Division club can hardly claim to be rivals to us.
My basic point is that a 4th Division club can hardly claim to be rivals to us.
Portsmouth are our rivals. Similar size town, nearest team and they hate us... Perfect. The fact that is ****hole and full of simpletons is just a bonus. Unfortunately for them these last two facts mean they will always be inferior to us. Cheating aside of course.
Like most Saints fans I find it amusing when Pompey get turned over and agree with Beddy that theirs is always the second score I look out for in the hope that they have lost. I think Duckhunter is a little bit unfair in his dismissal of Portsmouth and I can't really see any other team becoming a fierce rival quite like Pompey - even if the worst happens and they slip put of the league either this season or the next.
After Portsmouth, I would tend to agree with the comments about Brighton although I think this has something to do with their current manager as opposed to anything else. It's a bit like Luton Town in the 1980's who always prompted a lot of bitterness between the two sides that stemmed from their regular routs against us and the unfairness of the awful plastic pitch. A "second" rival is always soemthing that is going to fluctuate depending upon circumstances. The relationship with Portsmouth can never be substituted.
There is no way that any other club can quite replace the "affection" we have for Portsmouth. I have often argued on this board that they are a bigger club (atleast historically) than Saints even if they have been run with the kind of financial mis-management which would make Robert Mugabe like look like Sir Digby Jones. No matter how parlous their circumstances, they always seem to bounce back and their resiliance is more than matched by their fans who will adamantly insist that Southampton is a smaller club even from the point of view of football's basement. A good friend of mine once remarked to me that Portsmouth fans will never concede superiority over Southampton and the whole scenario is rather like the poor old knight in Monty Python who is chopped to pieces and is still itching for a fight! I think alot of this has to do with their fans and the fact that, outside London clubs such as Millwall or West Ham, Portsmouth are the only genuinely working class / traditional football team in the South. Portsmouth reflects the hard knocks of football's working class origins (despite their own very middle class beginnings) For most Portsmouth fans, we are the provincial up-starts who have enjoyed, for the most part, sensible and modest management whereas Portmouth have always been run in a reckless yet Romantic fashion. Portsmouth reflects the misplaced footballing dream whereas Saints seem to be pragmatic realists. PFC fans love their club with a kind of passion that most Saints fans will never be able to appreciate. I do feel they have the more passionate supporters albeit far more fickle and unrealistic in their expectations than Saints fans who tend to be more grounded in their expectations. I really think that the rivalry is extremely deep rooted in issues that often go beyond football and embrace all sorts of cultural issues as well. Because of this chalk and cheese difference which manifests itself in so many ways, no other club will ever match the rivalry between our two clubs. We are such opposites that there is almost a case to be add that each club needs the other in order to define itself. As someone pointd out above, you can't feel bad about Bournemouth and, I suspect, like most Saints fans I am glad when they do well and a reversal in a match won't prompt the satisfaction of discovering that Portsmouth have lost yet again, even if this season the poor results have gone beyond being funny. Fair play to the PFC fans who stick by their team knowing they will suffer a dubbing every Saturday!!
I await the brickbats.......
After Portsmouth, I would tend to agree with the comments about Brighton although I think this has something to do with their current manager as opposed to anything else. It's a bit like Luton Town in the 1980's who always prompted a lot of bitterness between the two sides that stemmed from their regular routs against us and the unfairness of the awful plastic pitch. A "second" rival is always soemthing that is going to fluctuate depending upon circumstances. The relationship with Portsmouth can never be substituted.
There is no way that any other club can quite replace the "affection" we have for Portsmouth. I have often argued on this board that they are a bigger club (atleast historically) than Saints even if they have been run with the kind of financial mis-management which would make Robert Mugabe like look like Sir Digby Jones. No matter how parlous their circumstances, they always seem to bounce back and their resiliance is more than matched by their fans who will adamantly insist that Southampton is a smaller club even from the point of view of football's basement. A good friend of mine once remarked to me that Portsmouth fans will never concede superiority over Southampton and the whole scenario is rather like the poor old knight in Monty Python who is chopped to pieces and is still itching for a fight! I think alot of this has to do with their fans and the fact that, outside London clubs such as Millwall or West Ham, Portsmouth are the only genuinely working class / traditional football team in the South. Portsmouth reflects the hard knocks of football's working class origins (despite their own very middle class beginnings) For most Portsmouth fans, we are the provincial up-starts who have enjoyed, for the most part, sensible and modest management whereas Portmouth have always been run in a reckless yet Romantic fashion. Portsmouth reflects the misplaced footballing dream whereas Saints seem to be pragmatic realists. PFC fans love their club with a kind of passion that most Saints fans will never be able to appreciate. I do feel they have the more passionate supporters albeit far more fickle and unrealistic in their expectations than Saints fans who tend to be more grounded in their expectations. I really think that the rivalry is extremely deep rooted in issues that often go beyond football and embrace all sorts of cultural issues as well. Because of this chalk and cheese difference which manifests itself in so many ways, no other club will ever match the rivalry between our two clubs. We are such opposites that there is almost a case to be add that each club needs the other in order to define itself. As someone pointd out above, you can't feel bad about Bournemouth and, I suspect, like most Saints fans I am glad when they do well and a reversal in a match won't prompt the satisfaction of discovering that Portsmouth have lost yet again, even if this season the poor results have gone beyond being funny. Fair play to the PFC fans who stick by their team knowing they will suffer a dubbing every Saturday!!
I await the brickbats.......
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Godders, leave it! Stop mentioning that bloody game .... I'll be in tears again.
None from me, Ian. A post that feels well thought out, with rare insight, in my opinion.
At the risk of upsetting Beddy by going off record, could one of the mods help or at least point me in the right direction of someone who can. It appears your "full site" link at the bottom of the forum doesn't work. Therefore if you're in mobile mode, you cant switch back to desk top mode (if that's what it's called). I'm stuck in mobile mode any ideas?
I don't have a problem with Everton, to be honest. In truth, I don't have a problem with any club. I can kind of sideline my annoyance. After all, it's me that's the twat if I get really annoyed, for allowing such an annoyance to prevail after years/decades, not the football club in question.
On the other hand, if ManU, Arsenal, and other clubs, and the media that worship them, who seem to think they have a devine right to superiority, would like to take a dip into the obscurity of the lower divisions, having to fight themselves out of them, then I would be the slightly happier for it. I also think it wouldn't the particular clubs supporters any harm at all.
speaking as someone stuck in this Antipodean Outpost and only being able to go to games every 2 years the rivalry - dislike and passion with Portsmouth and vice versa seem to be very healthy with most postings on this thread.
At the end of Star Wars, Luke Skywalker must have thought Darth Vader was proper done for.
But he wasn't was he? He turned up again didn't he? All angry and ****.
Pompey will always be our rivals. They are as important to Southampton as the bloody red and white stripes we wear.
If there is no Pompey in football, I don't want another rival.
But he wasn't was he? He turned up again didn't he? All angry and ****.
Pompey will always be our rivals. They are as important to Southampton as the bloody red and white stripes we wear.
If there is no Pompey in football, I don't want another rival.