Already we have had a number of manager casualties and the season has only just finished. There is no patience any-more, no time to build a squad, no time to develop your youngsters. It's instant results or you are out. Who is to blame for this culture is it us the fans, the Boards or is it just a symptom of the times we live in? Everything these days has to be immediate, we expect instant replies to texts and e-mails, we demand live streaming. People get cross in queues, get angry if their train is a couple of minutes late. Road rage is rife. Should we all just chill a bit?
Fans mainly. McLeish and Kean have done as well as could be expected given the resources at their disposal, but the fans didn't give either of them a chance. Dalglish only has himself to blame though with his handling of the Suarez racism stuff (and his team has underperformed, especially at home, which doesn't help).
Absolutely. So calm down and chill out. Put some Chopin on the Hi-Fi, pour a large malt and add an equal measure of water, sink back in your favourite armchair closs your eyes and slowly sip your drink and drift away to a land free of worries and cares. That isn't strictly true because you'll have to get up in a little while and pour another drink. I of course will just stretch out my arm and the very lovely Mrs Godders will replenish my glass. Someone on a thread the other day suggested that the very lovely Mrs Godders was a figment of my imagination. What a very silly boy.
I think it is managers making promises they cannot keep. For instance Dalglish saying he thought he could get them into the champions league. To be fair I don't think the bloke did too bad. However I think his mouth did not help him when he needed to think what he was saying. That with a promise of Champions league was his down fall. I guess if you don't deliver when money has been spent........To be honest Nigel will be no different he will be expected to spend some money to improve the squad and he will be expected to deliver. Although to be fair I think he may be given a shade longer to deliver...but not too long!!
I agree but the manangers are saying this so they get the job in the first place. The foreign owners of the clubs want Champions League football as a minimum and if a manger isn't aiming that high they won't get the job anyway. The owners need to be more realistic in their expectations and the time frames required. Its taken Man City four years and hundreds of millions to win their first title on goal difference and not even get out of the group stages of the Champions League. Rebuilding a squad/team takes time, Liverpool are doing that now and I think next season they may well (with more investment) get back into the top four. Chelsea have to rebuild and they may not make it next season either. Will Roman stand for that or sack whoever comes in? we all know the answer to that. So to me its the owners that have to have more patience and if they did maybe the managers may actually say to them that I can achieve what you want but it will take 3 years. If the owners were like they are now back in 1985 the greatest manager of all time would have been sacked.
Society. Everyday you are bombarded by messages from the media and supposed celebrity wisdom about how to get rich/do things quick. All advertisements would have you believe that their new products will save you time and that is the most important thing in the world. Of course it is not, but plenty believe them just get the train into central London on a working morning and watch!
Only one thing wrong with that Godders. When you pour a large Malt, you never, never, ever put any water with it. On it's own or have a blended one, mate. Does anyone remember proper Hi-Fi..? I mean analogue, of course.
Arguably Shankly. Ferguson is the obvious one from the present day, and there's no denying his ability, but I thought the best from him was already done at Aberdeen. Fergie has, with a little aid from an already well established youth academy, been able to spend money to get success. Managers like Shankly practically developed an entire winning and dominating side from also rans and journeymen and turned them into superheroes. Clough was in the same vein, although he was never at one club long enough to nurture the young ones through. Shankly was Liverpool's manager for a decade and a half, and built them from the then Second Division and mid-table obscurity to the best team in the land. Clough was astonishing. He literally took an alsoran club by the scruff of the neck and turned it into a superclub. His like will never be seen again, in my opinion.
Very good points and you are far more qualified to talk about those other great managers than me. I said Fergie because of what he has achieved at Utd and that it wasn't done overnight. He was going to be sacked bar a Mark Robbins goal in the FA Cup and in the current day he probably would have gone before that. If a manager had achieved similar to Fergie at Aberdeen would they get the time needed to recreate that in the current day? AVB and Chelsea would suggest not. With regards to Shanklin taking a mid table second division side to champions of Europe, that is a feat that will surely never be matched again such is the gap between clubs now. Managers that could be great just won't get the opportunity to do it with the clubs where they have made their names and how many of the top ones will give them a decent crak at it before pulling the trigger when things are going wrong.
You`re right , Fergie would have got the boot at ManU before he turned it round. At Aberdeen he inherited a good team - Strachan, Miller, McLeish, Leighton etc, but to beat Bayern Munich and Real M to win the CWC, the the European Champions Hamburg in the Super Cup, was incredible for a wee team.
Ted Bates - 3rd Division obscurity into Europe with no huge financial resources, just shrewd signings and kicking the **** out of the opposition.
The only positive of sacking managers at the end of the season is that the new manager has the pre-season to put his ideas across and can rebuild the team to what he wants.
No-one's mentioned Bob Paisley, who is arguably Liverpool's most successful manager, admittedly using the foundations laid down by Shankly to build on. Under him Liverpool won the League 6 times and came second twice, also 3 League Cups, 5 Charity Shields, and 1 UEFA Cup. Oh, and 3 European Cups. I would say that betters Fergie's record.
