Off Topic Where is the north ?

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When I was a teenager and coming back from down South on a coach usually having seen the lads get beat, when we passed Scotch Corner I thought we were nearly home.
Didn't realise there was still a fair lump of northern England to pass before I got home.<laugh>
 
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I remember the first time I drove out of London ( quite a number of years ago!) and saw the road sign "Hatfield and the North".
Didn't really know where Hatfield was, didn't bother finding out (must have driven past a few times and never noticed). Then years later, ended up working not too far from there; of course it's not far up the A1, so I assume that's where London folks think the North starts :emoticon-0100-smile
 
some of them have not been further north than Watford i reckon, the new Wembley should have been built near Derby i say, proper transport set up etc too far for your southerners up to travel, London worst place for traffic in Britain as well. in the EFL cup Wolves were north as well as Leicester yet Norwich is further up but they are South surely. Berwick English but play in Scotland for some reason.

Derby doesn't have the hotels, transport, restaurants or pubs to cope with that many people tbh ...

... Berwick play is Scotland for financial reasons and because Exeter and Plymouth would refuse to play there <laugh>
 
I remember the first time I drove out of London ( quite a number of years ago!) and saw the road sign "Hatfield and the North".
Didn't really know where Hatfield was, didn't bother finding out (must have driven past a few times and never noticed). Then years later, ended up working not too far from there; of course it's not far up the A1, so I assume that's where London folks think the North starts :emoticon-0100-smile
In Britain, north has always been an economic rather than a geographic area and so the real answer is that the north starts where the money starts to get scarcer!

Thus it has always been more of a curved than a linear partition, with the 'geographical' start of the north actually moving furthur out as the trains let people live outside of London and commute in.

Anyway, I live in North Wales so just look on in bemusement as you anglo saxons argue about it!
 
I read in a book a few years ago ( think it's on my kindle so will try to find what I read) that a Tory politician argued that during the industrial revolution , the wealth of the country was concentrated in the north and so it's only right that it's now ' Londons turn to have the money'
 
North of the line from Shrewsbury to Skegness
Or if you are a cockney - North of Watford Gap services <laugh>

For anyone south of the Thames, the other side of the river is north.
Anyone unsure, Sadiq Khan has a sign at the start of the M1 saying the The North
 
In Britain, north has always been an economic rather than a geographic area and so the real answer is that the north starts where the money starts to get scarcer!

Thus it has always been more of a curved than a linear partition, with the 'geographical' start of the north actually moving furthur out as the trains let people live outside of London and commute in.

Anyway, I live in North Wales so just look on in bemusement as you anglo saxons argue about it!

by that logic, parts of Cornwall would also be in the north… which ain’t right.
 
by that logic, parts of Cornwall would also be in the north… which ain’t right.

Exactly.

As I said, you can't simply draw lines on a map, it's just a state of mind.

When Edinburgh is further west than Manchester, while being on the east coast, it somewhat distorts things.

Besides which, none of it matters does it ...

... you are what you believe you are and no one can change that.
 
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Exactly.

As I said, you can't simply draw lines on a map, it's just a state of mind.

When Edinburgh is further west than Manchester, while being on the east coast, it somewhat distorts things.

Besides which, none of it matters does it ...

... you are what you believe you are and no one can change that.

... but unfortunately we are also what the politicians believe we are, and thats usually to our detriment
 
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England is covered by 6 degrees of latitude (50-60N). If that’s 2 degrees each for south , midlands and north , then Birmingham is in the south and Manchester and Leeds are in the midlands
You are talking logic, mate, which is a foreign language for governments.
 
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In Britain, north has always been an economic rather than a geographic area and so the real answer is that the north starts where the money starts to get scarcer!

Thus it has always been more of a curved than a linear partition, with the 'geographical' start of the north actually moving furthur out as the trains let people live outside of London and commute in.

Anyway, I live in North Wales so just look on in bemusement as you anglo saxons argue about it!
Is Chepstow in England or Wales, mate?
 
I didn’t expect so many replies to this thread, strangely though while driving this morning I had the radio on ( radio 1 ) I think and what were they discussing Where is the north .