some of them have not been further north than Watford i reckon, the new Wembley should have been built near Derby i say, proper transport set up etc too far for your southerners up to travel, London worst place for traffic in Britain as well. in the EFL cup Wolves were north as well as Leicester yet Norwich is further up but they are South surely. Berwick English but play in Scotland for some reason.

England is covered by 6 degrees of latitude (50-60N). If that’s 2 degrees each for south , midlands and north , then Birmingham is in the south and Manchester and Leeds are in the midlands
Maybe, but they are a UK government, not an England government. The UK covers 11⁰ of Latitude and that puts Sunderland firmly in the midlandsEngland is covered by 6 degrees of latitude (50-60N). If that’s 2 degrees each for south , midlands and north , then Birmingham is in the south and Manchester and Leeds are in the midlands
Shetland 60⁰ to 60⁰55' IS halfway up to Faroe yet it is still part of the UKSixty north is well north of the UK mainland. About halfway to the Faroes.
In Britain, north has always been an economic rather than a geographic area and so the real answer is that the north starts where the money starts to get scarcer!I remember the first time I drove out of London ( quite a number of years ago!) and saw the road sign "Hatfield and the North".
Didn't really know where Hatfield was, didn't bother finding out (must have driven past a few times and never noticed). Then years later, ended up working not too far from there; of course it's not far up the A1, so I assume that's where London folks think the North starts![]()
North of the line from Shrewsbury to Skegness
Or if you are a cockney - North of Watford Gap services![]()
Coventry played in Division 3 South for a WhileNo-one from Wakefield would ever say they were from the Midlands ...
... no-one from Coventry would accept they're Southeners.
Coventry played in Division 3 South for a While
In Britain, north has always been an economic rather than a geographic area and so the real answer is that the north starts where the money starts to get scarcer!
Thus it has always been more of a curved than a linear partition, with the 'geographical' start of the north actually moving furthur out as the trains let people live outside of London and commute in.
Anyway, I live in North Wales so just look on in bemusement as you anglo saxons argue about it!
by that logic, parts of Cornwall would also be in the north… which ain’t right.
Exactly.
As I said, you can't simply draw lines on a map, it's just a state of mind.
When Edinburgh is further west than Manchester, while being on the east coast, it somewhat distorts things.
Besides which, none of it matters does it ...
... you are what you believe you are and no one can change that.
You are talking logic, mate, which is a foreign language for governments.England is covered by 6 degrees of latitude (50-60N). If that’s 2 degrees each for south , midlands and north , then Birmingham is in the south and Manchester and Leeds are in the midlands
Is Chepstow in England or Wales, mate?In Britain, north has always been an economic rather than a geographic area and so the real answer is that the north starts where the money starts to get scarcer!
Thus it has always been more of a curved than a linear partition, with the 'geographical' start of the north actually moving furthur out as the trains let people live outside of London and commute in.
Anyway, I live in North Wales so just look on in bemusement as you anglo saxons argue about it!