Where do people want news posted??

Recently there have been some discussions/issues about where news is posted. Some have mentioned that if the news is posted in the short news thread there is no need for another thread dedicated to it, other have said the opposite.

I would like to give you all the chance to have your say and help decide what we do about it.

I for one like the idea of having a short news thread where people post the link and a summary but if we want to discuss the news in more detail we should have a dedicated thread. Some people dont have the time to scroll through an entire thread and long discussions about 1 item just clogs up the news thread.

 

I think people will post new threads on any newsworthy item , and as such the short news thread is becoming obselete and only used for the rubbish on our favourite rumour site, this could be redirected into the nest to wake it up a bit ............you discuss who we should bring into the club over a virtual beer ......ring any bells

 

I went for the third option. Dull news is still news. Marginally or genuinely interesting news is worthy of wider discussion.

 

Thats what i say. Some dont have time to read through 3-4 pages of posts in the news thread, but we want to make sure all the news is posted.

 

short news was good for rumours..... but let's face it any news is worth a thread in these times!

 

I went with NNW on this one.

I must examine my navel tonight to see if there is any fluff in it.

 

I feel very strongly about this.

It is not up to the Mods to cancel threads - threads will get posting or not on whether people want to post there. I started the Short News thread to pick up the type of story that would be of minor interest to some and not probably worth anyone starting up a thread. It is the second most popular thread on here with nearly 3000 postings and over 35000 viewings. If it gets pulled because a dozen people vote for that against 6 to keep it then that is daft. Norway says we have 300 Watford supporters on here so at best you would need 150 to "cull" it.

For goodness sake Moderators - butt out - stop telling us where we can and cant post things - I had this argument on the Riots Thread. Excuse me but we are all adults here and should be able to post where we want and we do not need to be told. If no-one wants to post on the Short News site it will simply not be used

I am fed up with bogus polls to support Mods making decisions on where we post.

You guys should be as invisible as I tried to be. Post your opinions as members not Mods - and Moderate excessive abuse or excessive wumming. Only Hornette seems to realise that she is there not as someone to direct us but for "emergencies and help only"

I truly regret passing on the Modship to some who see it as a promotion and a power thing.

 

First of all Leonardo, i do not see the moderator position as a position of power, nor do i see it as a promotion. The riot thread argument is closed and need not be brought back up. We are all adults here, but there have been people complaining and arguing over where people have posted things. I know that if people dont want to use the short news thread they wont, but if its not used then it should be un-stickied. Lately we have had 1 person in particular complaining about the fact that news is being posted on the news thread and then being discussed in other threads, and he says there is no need for it. However, there are some who say that they only pop in for a quick browse and they dont have the time to scroll through tonnes of posts, so having the in-depth discussion on the news thread dilutes it and makes it difficult to read. Sometimes we might end up with 100+ posts on a single item of news, surely it makes more sense to have a thread dedicated to the big news. I thought the idea of the news thread was to allow quick and easy access to the news, not have to spend 5 minutes scrolling through post after post debating the news.

Others have voted to do away with the thread all together which tells me there is demand for this, and why should we ignore it! People arent happy with the site and i am trying to do something about it. If you have a problem with this then i am damned! You said it yourself Mods are for help, and i am trying to help.

How is this a bogus poll?? I am genuinely trying to find out the views of the board and do something to meet those views and needs. If i were invisible people would go on having complaints and not liking things. This is not ideal and would most likely lead to masses of members leaving.

I have never posted as a moderator, i have always posted as Daniel! A single word makes no difference to my opinions and views and thats what i post on here and will continue to do!! I have removed a couple of threads, but only because the writer has asked me to do so! If you can prove otherwise feel free to do so. When Lloydinio joined there was a cloud cast over his intentions, but i actually stood up for him and calmed the storm and have been proved right so far. What is wrong with what i have done??

 

Dan
Good - i never saw it as a position of power too so we are agreed on that
The riot thread is closed but the point is relevant as it is another example of Mods trying to influence where we post things - and how. For personal family reasons I wanted to suspend my activity here as Leo and to occasionally post as HornArt but you took it upon yourself to go snooping and "expose" my double self. As I understand any of us can post as whoever we like - I suspect others do but use 2 computers - how does that hurt or affect anyone. Thanks to you I have to post as Leo - which frankly I don't really want to at the moment but you gave me no choice.
People have made the occasional remark about double posting sites - but they did that on BBC 606 too - it is usually just an error
The second largest thread on the site with 35000 viewings cannot be said in any circumstance to be "not used" Remember of Norway's 300 fans here a large majority view but dont post so 35000 viewings suggests a great demand and 3000 postings too
You have had 1 person complaining have you - oh dear - that is serious - let's pull the thread - sorry for the sarcasm
Now you contradict yourself and say we have 100+ posts on a single item - really - on the Short News thread - which item was that - and if it was poular then why did nobody start a thread for it on its own - the short news is for small snippets - if a topic is a large one then who is to say dont also have a thread? So have we too much new on the short news thread so people have to spend 5 minutes scrolling or do we have nobody on there so it has to be removed - make up your mind you cannot argue both
So far 7 people out of Norway's 300 have voted to do away with it - get another 150 and I would still argue you have no right to pull my thread as it suggests there are 143 people who want it
Do you really think that removing a thread is a solution to those who have problems with the site? Actually I have seen far more people who have argued as I have that some of the "luvvie" stuff, the facebook imitiation and twitter bits are more annoying and put people off - especially on the Nest - are you going to have a poll to remove that?
How do you propose understanding the needs of "invisible" people to use your word? Why would there suddenly be "masses of members leaving"?
OK - I have misunderstood and thought you were posting as a Mod but accept you are just giving Dan's views - as I am giving mine.

 

I will follow on a little from a statement I made in a previous thread (ironic really, considering some of the comments on this subject!)

I do feel Leonardo is talking sense, albeit it in a fairly upfront and "honest" manner.

This in itself is a pretty pointless article that really doesn't serve any purpose, other than to "prove" an unnecessary decision. It truly does not matter where someone posts something. Just let people talk.

It does seem as if this "moderating" title may have been taken a little too far. I do get the feeling that some moderators feel as if they own this forum, and have overiding control over what is written, and where it is written. This is one of the reasons that my usage of the site has dropped.

 

Actually Yorkie - short news was not supposed to be for rumours - lots of sites use it for actual club happenings of "glancing" interest - eg an academy activity, a player injured etc - when I was Mod I used to scan the Watty Obs first thing in the morning and post something I found interesting but not worthy of a thread. Sometimes those items actually proved more interesting and so sometimes a thread got opened too which was never a problem - in my day but I never tried to control the opening and closing of threads.

 

My problem was with the 606 ones, removing something on the slightest grounds that I would argue was incorrect. I am quite bright enough to understand things like libel and didn't need them telling me that something that was a historical fact could be damaging to the BBC. However they had a set of rules to govern their moderating and even if they chose to misinterpret them in my view we did know where they were coming from.

On this site although there are some rules, to a large extent the individual club pages have been allowed to develop in the way that suits the members. I quite frequently ramble on about my days out here, something that gets a response some days and not others. If I was told that I could only post these thoughts in a specific place I would ignore it on the basis that I have as much right to do what I wish, while respecting the site, as anyone else, even if they have a title.

In my opinion we should just let things evolve, not try to push them in any one direction. In that way Leo was extremely good at being a moderator, only intervening if something happened that had to be dealt with. This site is different to 606, but that had been going for several years and had found it's format. This one will given time, but not if a few people try too hard to push it in the direction that they want it to go.

 

Wish you would confine your ramblings to your own thread OFH - nobody is interested in the French anyway

 

Can't be bothered to trawl through a long thread, new ones where you can distinguish what news is new, and not have to sift through everything is better.

 

Maybe I could start a new thread for each day of the week, lundi thread, mardi thread etc. Just thinking about how many points I can earn and what to spend them on.

 

Why even discuss this, the Short news thread works end of and if the item is worthy of further discussion start a thread. During the summer we had hardly any football matters to discuss and even since the season has started not much to discuss as we have not played that well and it is done to death in the excellent match threads (Thanks Ak) Not worthy of a vote! IMO

 

I accidently voted the 1st option though i meant the 3rd.

 

LLoydinio - that is classic and worthy of your namesake missing the net

 

This thread is completely unnecessary and a further attempt for moderators to interfere when it isn’t required.

I haven’t voted on this thread and won’t be doing so.

I think it’s completely unacceptable to be voting to close a thread.

I don’t think moderators should have any right to do so unless it breaks house rules – otherwise it is censorship.

Moderators should be not seen & not heard.

Threads should be left alone – they will sink if they are no good or survive if they are worthy of comment. As an example take a look at the ‘Weimann Back On Loan’ thread – 23 comments of which the majority was about whether to close it or not! Completely ridiculous and unnecessary – just leave it alone and comment if you wish to do so.

Another example would be the young lad Lloydino – I know he showed over exuberance by opening multiple threads in the beginning but moderators shut them all! What right did they have to do so? None of them broke house rules. One was even shut that had 17 or more comments on! Way to go to encourage new posters
Pure censorship & interference. I could accept the actions if it was ‘flooding’ by wum’s in an attempt to shut the forum but it wasn’t.

Personally I like the ‘Short news’ thread but I read somewhere else the suggestion of folders for other non football topics (a sub forum if you will) – this could include such threads as the ‘dancing chess riots’ thread and others such as the chat thread for Norway & Hornette etc.
If that happened then all football threads would remain rather than be pushed out.

I also like the thought of the story remaining at the top of the thread which may keep people on topic ( no lol's smilies etc with no actual comment - having to wade though a page of that to read any worthwhile comments, I just switch off) – maybe we should be writing them in article form rather than thread form?

In summary then, I’m only interested in the site improvements but wholly against what appears to be moderator interference.

As I write this there has been only 17 replies and 241 views on this thread – which is less views & the same number of comments that one of the Lloydino threads had when it was closed so I think that gives you a fair idea of what you should do with this one

Hopefully though, I hope people will learn from this and take most of the posts as constructive. Overall the site has a great deal of potential and it is early days of the season so maybe the edge will come back in time and those posters we miss will feel they can contribute without being censored because I suspect they are viewing from time to time but feel they won’t be allowed to put their point of view across.

 

We need both of the threads.