If I was Martin O'Neill reading some of the posts on here I'd be tempted to say bollocks to SAFC and go join a club where the fans deserve him. You would think he had been here 3 or 4 years playing ****e football and in the bottom 4 all season and not barely 9 months and mid table safety after rescuing a probable relegation. Now all of sudden, because he hasn't signed 5 or 6 journeymen players, or bought fantasy football names, we are doomed and a relegation certainty. ****ing pathetic fellow Sunderland fans. ****ing pathetic. We have done **** all in 40 years to start demanding of the best manager we have attracted in a generation that he is making a **** up with us after 5 minutes in the job. It's not like we are in the middle of October and rooted to the bottom of the league is it? We have bids in for players. They may or may not come. Their clubs don't have to bow down to SAFC and just cave in because we want them. We may start next week with a familiar team; we may have 1 or 2 new faces or we could just as easily have 3 or 4. Whatever the team is, we have far more chance with Mon in charge than ever we would have with any of the nuggets we have had in the past. Cut the manager some slack FFS and let him do his job. If he ****s up then by all means criticise. I'll be the first if that happens. However, to be so negative when he is just starting his reign here is frankly embarrassing. Lighten the **** up SAFC fans and give O'Neill some support. Rant over.
I don't think anyone is panning MON for it mate, my concerns are higher than that. Why can't we get deals done? That's not MON's job, MON will do his job just fine.
as long as its just posts and not street protests etc I do agree with you in away though, but then i think members have every right to vent their frustrations as well, would rather they do it on here than the game. Look at the mags with Mike Ashley, they all detested him, now its working, they love the guy (well maybe not that far but they dont detest him as much), we just dont know whats around the corner. If the window slams shut and we have not signed anyone then I will start to get worried (even though I still dont think we will go down), but until then, I have faith.
Totally agree Steve, 2 good signings this week (Olsson & Fletcher would do me), and we'll be buzzing for Sat. Nobody, and we'll all be concerned, nobody can suggest we are in for a good season with the current forwards, defence is good (excellent with a LB), midfield is solid,bordering on very good if Sess is in it. Up top, well, as it stands Ji has to start after an excellent Olympics, surely? Campbell, Whickham & Noble aren't nearly good enough, as it stands.
We can't do deals because the players we want are not surplus ****e ones that their clubs are happy to be rid of. If it is the likes of fletcher, olsson, McGeady, Johnson, N'Zonzi etc we have bid for or want, they are top players that we will have to fight to get. They will significantly improve us. If you'd be happier to sign journeymen that we could have attracted overnight kidda then that's your choice. They would not however make up any better. Me, I'm happy to let our manager and owner do it properly their way and I am genuinely pissed off at some of the pathetic thinking of some fans. We have a chance with Mon as manager to change the cycle of failure at SAFC Mons. We have absolutely **** all chance without him.
No problem with MON Cest but, even with him in charge without any new players in we will struggle. Like you I don't want the journeymen players I want top players who will take us up a notch which will mean spending big. So for me anyway the players should have been identified around the March time as MON said he knew in December where we need strengthening if that didn't happen then MON gets the blame, if it did and Ellis Short is humming and harring over money then it's the money people. I seriously believe MON will walk as he did at Villa if that is the case though, not sure what is going on at SAFC but, in my suspicious mind something is up. I had high hopes for this season with MON building a good side to actually challenge for something next season maybe even scare some teams this those hopes are fading with every day that goes by though, as ever it is typical Sunderland we have the backing the facilities and now the manager and yet we will still conspire to **** it right up.
Patience is a virtue as they say...I'm sure that MON is very well aware of our need for a striker, and I for one will back his judgement all the way..
Cest, do I have to repeat that I'm not blaming MON one bit, or did you not read my post? It should be plain sailing for us to sign Olsson & Fletcher, both have asked to leave as a result of our interest, just get the ****ing deals done. It's not overnight, it's 4 months, MON has been in since Dec, and will have given targets to the money men by March. Sidenote, I'm reliably informed that WE are the club Blackpool have reported to the FA about tapping up Matty Phillips, will wait and see if it's the case.
Bad news if true about Matty Phillips, he came out and said he wanted to stay. If that's the case we can't currently tap somebody up properly. Looks like we won't get him now. Three players in and we're sound. Until those three come in, while Sess is out injured, we're in a concerning situation. I agree we need patience and to just wait and see but I think '****ing pathetic' repeatedly is a bit strong. Fingers crossed we get those three top players in post haste.
Steve, if the window shuts and we don't buy anyone AND we struggle, I will be the first to ask questions. However, I just don't get why fans are moaning before a ball has been kicked in anger this new season? I find it ridiculous and pathetic and very embarrassing. The filth just got humped 4 1 off Cardiff. Are they up in arms? We need to have some perspective about who we are, where we have been and what we could achieve with this manager. Without him, we are back to Bruce or maybe even worse.
I reckon Talc is close to the truth, if MoN has agreed a budget with his Boss, he has known since the Spring we have needed forwards and I presume has identified Fletcher is one. Now because Wolves want to hang onto their better players it would seem to pry Fletcher away will take up most of our budget and incidentally overpay for a slightly better than average player. We should have moved on a long time ago to other targets, we keep getting told their is better value overseas and I cannot contemplate for one moment that an experienced manager like MoN has not got other targets. Strikers are key ATM 4-6 as a formation just gives heart to arsenal and reading ATM and makes our season 36 games long. C'mon MoN get a couple of good £10m players in from overseas we must have some irons in the fire and not all our eggs in one basket. Defence and Midfield are not too bad but we must have a credible visible strike threat other wise we just become joke team! Cest there may be a few 'embarrassing' posts but personally I have not seen many, but there are a lot of fans getting worried cos like our manager we can all see what we lack in the team, unfortunately we are having to wait for others to do the work, probably Short and Byrne to get on with the negotiations, but it seems we are going to the gooners without a credible striker, we could of course get a result ( adraw) stranger things have happened in football, but looking at the bookie odds it will be a minor miracle to get a draw and and a cause for canonisation if we get a win.
Well i now its just the media, but the players we are linked to (Fletcher anyway) no one else seems to be interested, so there is no bidding war, its just Wolves playing hard ball from what I can tell. I think the lack of noise coming out of the club is frustrating as well, but most clubs are like that I suppose, its just the media thats telling us who we are after and how much, when in reality, we may be in for none of them (Fletcher aside) and be in for players we havnt got a clue we are in for. We just have to wait and have patience, but everyone has and you can never please everyone all of the time, its impossible.
I think it's normal for a bunch of lads who care passionately about the club to be ****ting bricks 5 days before the season when we know we are criminally short. To try and say that's people not appreciating MON and being out of order is horse ****, frankly.
Why can't anyone vent their concerns without Cest blowing his top I am afraid the only embarrassing part of all this is once again a complete over reaction from " you can't possibley be right because I am" Cest. We have not had a left back for many seasons, we had to borrow a centre forward last season just to make a fist of it , and here we are 6 days before we kick off and none of these issues have been addressed . Surely it is natural to be concerned about things we know need fixing but at such a late stage hasn't. I don't see anyone on here giving MON stick and there is a genuine high level of trust between us supporters and the whole management team, however until we see a movement in the transfer market genuine concerns will continue.
40 odd people viewing the topic says it all, **** yes we're concerned, and **** yes we are in our rights to be.
I agree with both sides of the argument. And I for one am not blaming Marty one bit. He is the best manager we had had for a very long time and with the right squad we could comfortably establish a top ten premiership side. But to have no signings 5 days before the first game of the season something has gone wrong, whether it be money, other clubs knowing we are desperate., or some other underlining reason. I mean even though Agent Bruce was tactically inept and at times looked completely out of depth he still brought the likes of bent, gyan, welbeck, cattamole, Cana, Sess , Muntari etc and even though some of these did not work out they still took us to a new level. Which I was hoping Marty would do this year, not a overhaul but 3 or 4 quality players early and get them settled in……I don’t know any Sunderland fans who are not in full panic mode after the tragic pre season in which Marty even admitted we were poor. No pace No creativity No goals. Please let the next few days make me look stupid stop me from absolute blind panic . In Martin O’Neil I trust
Like what MM says i dont think any of our fans are blaming MON for anything we are all just getting a bit antsy to see a few new players arrive before the season kicks off. Especially a new forward or 2 We have released/sold a quiet a few players. I do trust MON 100% & he has said himself judge the squad at the end of the transfer window but it still does not stop any of us getting worried/nervous.
I think that Cest make a reasonable point (albeit in his own "pointed" way!). I read the site regularly and post on occasions - I am getting a bit bored of reading the doom and gloom and a few good news stories would certainly help. I know that this is football but ought we not try and take half a step back sometimes... Last year Bruce signed 10 (ish - apologies for the stato's on the site) very early on - we were all saying/thinking great news, they`ll have time to learn how to play together etc...where did that take us to? In the Jan window we were all celebrating Campbell's return from injury with a goal, his place in the England squad with real positivity - a new striker really and we were really up for the lad...why has that disappeared? I for one would have given him more game time than Bentner and once he had lost the rust he would have been getting himself on the score sheet too. We have, as many have said before, some obvious gaps - I don`t think for a minute though we would end up with the 7 or 8 new faces people are talking about (well not 7 or 8 "stars"). MON and ES have been talking "quality not quantity" so why is anyone expecting a rush??? Lets please all try and keep calm, lets not look to do over those who post stuff from the twitterage (we need some light relief anyway) because this site works best (for me) when we are all "in it together" with a bit of piss taking (mag wums excepted!). MON has asked we be patient - lets give him what he has asked for, he gets paid to do the job we all enjoy voicing our frustrations! Happy days
