Tottenham boss Villas-Boas: We won't sell Rose to Sunderland Tottenham boss Andre Villas-Boas is happy for Danny Rose to stay at Sunderland. AVB confirmed his thoughts after victory yesterday on Wearside. He said: "Permanent is completely impossible because we have big expectations for the player for the future, but there is a high possibility that his loan spell will continue."
That's fine mate so in January we buy a LB and send him back to sit on the bench or worse at Spurs, think this is a ploy to bump his price up already by Levy. He will not play week in week out at Spurs he will with us hopefully the player will have a say in this, not holding my breath though. This could also be AVB preparing for CL football next season where a good fairly large squad is essential if you need to do anything and progress to the knock out stages.
I think we should buy a LB or look like we are after a LB because if Spurs wont sell, we are going to be ****ed in the summer. This is why I don't like loan deals that don't have buy out clauses. They are not good for team building. I don't want to get this Giudetti lad in to the detriment of Wickham progress, only for City to take him back in 4 or 5 months time. I would never play loan players over my own players ever. All it will do is piss your own player off.
I like Wickham and think he'll turn into a terrific player for us, but at the minute he's still learning his trade. To be fair to the lad i think the last few games he's played in, he's proved he can be a right handful and given time he will get goals, our problem is that we don't have time. We've had a few good results, cracking results and more importantly some great performances and i'm sure we'll all agree, it looks like we are turning the corner. That said, we're not out of trouble just yet, a few bad results will see us slipping back down the table again. We need impact players in January and i think we all know the positions we need them in. If we can bring in a proven goal scorer then whether it be on loan or better still, buy outright, we need to do it. Not sure Guidetti is the answer mind, TBH i've not seen that much of him but for sure we need someone in. Saha isn't the answer and needs to go. Rose???? **** me, just when it looked like we had solved our problems at LB. If reports are true and we're not going to buy him then at least we look like keeping him till end of the season. Leave LB problems till the summer and concentrate on midfield and forwards in January.
The typical Spurs mind games have begun, Levy is as greasy as they come - he would steal your false teeth from the glass and then drink the water too.
Danny will sell if the money is right. That said, he's not known for being generous. All our dealings with Spurs have took ages to complete, I used to think it was saggy chops sticking his fat beak in but nee ****er can use that now. Danny Levy is a hard nosed bugger & if he thinks it's right for Spurs then AVB will have no say in the matter. That said, we WILL have to meet his price & the way the lad's being playing, it will just go up.
Totally agree re the loan system Cest' it should be banned that league clubs can loan players to each other. It encourages the big clubs to buy more players to the detriment of the rest
Also Steve Bruce proved as a long term ploy loaning doesn't work. It left our team in tatters. He is doing the same at Hull.
Negotiations have just started here. If the player wants to be here rather than with them and a fair price can be reached then we should do business
Surely what you've said and the fact Wickham already isn't getting the time on the pitch that he needs suggests that he could do with a loan move too. I don't think loan moves are a bad thing at all, if you're in any doubt what good a loan move can do for your side, ask Swansea fans whether they're glad they had Caulker for a year, or Villa fans about having Walker for a few months. As with any transfer a loan move can be good or bad depending on whether the player is any good, the fact that you probably won't have the player the following season shouldn't change much for you. If you need a new player then it's because the players already in that position aren't good enough and if they get pissed off, who cares? And yeah, you'll have the same problem again when the player leaves at the end of the season but surely the reasons you go in for loan moves is because there's the right players aren't available at a good price or you don't have the money. So like this summer, you could have spent the Johnson money on a winger and a fullback who are average, or you could loan a good fullback for a year and sign a quality winger permanently. To some degree that's true but he's not intrusive in the manager's business like Abramovich. If AVB doesn't think he's good enough Levy won't want to keep him, it'd be more likely that Levy would go over his head and sell Rose when AVB wants to keep him, if the offer was right. I think it's hard to tell what AVB actually means when he speaks to the press and it's rare for him to come out with quite such a definite statement. On the otherhand manager's press conferences are frequently filled with misdirection and AVB can be as full of **** as anyother manager. I can only guess but I'd think that if AVB wants a new player and you guys offer us good money for Rose that we could put towards the signing then I'm sure AVB and Levy would happily sell.
Thank you mate for answering that, I was waiting for your input. As usual, your knowledge of Spurs is very insightful. Thank you my friend. But....., AVB says they do want him to stay so if we do offer big bucks to Danny, will he let the lad go, IF AVB digs his heels in over it? That's what I was trying to get at. I always enjoy chats with you & I think you are a good man. Have a good New Year mate. You are welcome here anytime for me.
If they don't want to sell we send him back and sign a left back. The lad is top of the list for player of the season IMOat present but its ppointless developing a playerbfir someone else. With any luck Martin will sit Jim down and explain that he must do what is best for SAFC and if he goes back simply get him to request a transfer and get bidding. Best proper left back we've had for some time
Get back in for Strinic. He was our 1st choice so lets go back. Its all a game of bluff and double bluff. Make 1 offer that ES & MON consider Rose is worth. If they say no walk away. We have done without a recognised left back since Mcartneys 1st time & Mickey gray. I am sure we will get by again.
This hits the nail on the head, it does not really matter what Spurs say. We have seen it time and time again, if a players wants to leave he will. Its really on Rose's court. I am sure if we offered him a decent deal then a fee could be a agreed with Spurs. He is their 3rd choice LB after all and the only reason he is on loan with us is so he can develop and become worth more. Its almost like putting him in the shop window.
If Danny keeps up his current performances I can see spurs cashing in on Assou-Ekotto and then taking Rose back. Assou-Ekotto is worth more atm due to his experience but Rose imo has the potential to be the better player, and is a lot younger. It's win-win for spurs - they get more money, and keep a potentially better player with a longer career ahead of him... I really don't get why we didn't negotiate a fee with the loan deal? We always do this and it pisses me right off. Guaranteed his value was a hell of a lot lower back when the loan was agreed so why the **** not agree a fee? I always feel loan deals with no fee are just a lose-lose for the loaning club. If they're crap then we're paying the wages of a crap player for someone else, if they're good granted we get a decent player for a year but then the parent club refuse to sell or push the price through the roof, it's just daft imo.
You too I haven't been on the Sunderland board very often lately as I thought a lot of your users had left but it looks like I was wrong.There's always plenty of good football chat when I come on here for a read, like the Swansea board. I know what you're saying and that's why what I was saying about AVB not necessarily being totally honest, every player has a price in truth. If Levy got a good offer and wanted to sell then I doubt AVB would be too fussed as long as he can use the money for new signings. Even though we don't know just how much AVB rated VDV, I think a similar thing happened with him. Leaving to one side his desire to move to Germany to spend more time with his wife, since he was prepared to stay, it's alleged that VDV was only sold because AVB was told negotiations could resume with Porto for Moutinho if we cashed in on our Dutchman. The move didn't come off in the end and we had to buy Dempsey at the last minute but it sounds plausible to me. Levy's a hands on chairman but he sacked 'Arry so we could get AVB, I can't see him ignoring his wishes, especially if AVB actually rates him as highly as he says(which I doubt). I think he's available for a price but don't expect a quick January deal. Knowing what Levy's like he would rather wait until the summer, see who else is interested or indeed just how much AVB wants to keep him. If you came up with big money I'm sure Levy could be tempted to let him go early, it's hard know what Levy considers "big money" though.
