Not the point milk, Saint and many others that followed him down the years did play for the shirt, club emblem, manager, city. But these days as long as the pay cheque is in the bank most of them don't give a flying **** or aren't good enough.
As a scot he fitted in at anfield well.... look some guys get the whole I'm a worker and a fighter part of the game. Kuyt for example... suarez took it just s smidge too far at times before he even started gnawing on guys. there's a lot of guys who'll shout the odds at refs... one guy i'm thinking of in particular but you'd question about fight
Can't see too many being happy about us having a player throwing punches nowadays. They'd suspended more than Joey Barton! We do lack a batard in the team though.
more ways to show fight. carragher - never shut up, always worked for the team gerrard - once he'd got the body for it he was an immense player to make the difference all the time. hyppia - real tough, really effective, found his way of playing effectively by attacking thr ball and always gave his all alonso - always topped the kms covered charts always slotted in for players going frward, always got his own work done. kuyt - worker bee who provided more assists and goals than his talent and pace should have allowed Those are examples of the fight we need. Guys that say i'm here to work not shout the odds with the ref and roll about on the deck while the game goes on. Sahko got back twice early from injury to play... thats fight. whatever else he does on the pitch (and he needs to learn) he puts it in. milner: he's in over anyone cos of work rate. not the nest player but his work rate is there to see every single week... that kind of fight is under rated Henderson: ran all over yesterday, thats his game.. he's not a top player and nver will be but he's got fight. the rest? not so sure..... i'd not say mingolet, clyne, moreno, lovern, skertl, benteke, sturridge, coutinho, lallana.... none of those guys are guys i'd say i'd depend on in a scrap for a point on a wet teusday in stoke. We've seen too many games where guys vanish or give up or just play form themselves not the team.
I wasn't being serious MITO. Well, bar the "we lack a batard" part. I'd throw Mascherano and Suarez into that list of examples. I'd say never giving up is as close to a fighting spirit as we get nowadays.
well not really. i thought about it but. mascherano got himself sent off too much... look at 09/10 when he was supposed to be the guy who stayed for rafa he was suspended 3 times. thats just diving in suarez was over the top. he took personal issues and hurt the club not fought for it. 3 separate issues... how many matches missed... how many snide little stamps and dives and rolling about? no he is a perfect eaxmple of the work ethic but also a guy taking it too far and actually ending up counter productive. We got one season at his best out of him... barca are currently in their second season of his best...
Both offered a never say die attitude, they never stopped running or trying and refused to accept defeat. Sure, they both went a bit over board at times but you expect that from a fighter, that's what makes them what they are. Obviously, Suarez took it too far though. Mascherano was unlikely with a couple of his sending offs too.
As I showed alonso and kuyt were real examples. they didn't need to go over the top. they could keep it at a level where they rarely hurt the club in any way. Suarez missed a huge amount of his first two seasons due to his own petulance. Mascherano cost rafa an fa cup run in that last year and had 14 yellows.... a lucas type effort!
Suarez missing games is a little bit of a red herring imo. Obviously, there are the well known racism and biting bans but overall, he didn't miss that many games. He joined us at the end of January 2011 so was only here for fourteen games in his first with us... ClubSeasonLeagueAppsGoalsLiverpool2010–111342011–1231112012–1333232013–143331Total11069 ...so he missed one game that first (half) season. He missed a grand total of 17 league games over the next three seasons out of a possible 114. That includes eight games from racism and ten for biting (some of the suspended games were cup matches). I think he only missed one or two other games via injury, I don't think he was suspended bar those lengthy bans Obviously, the 17 games missed is 15% though, not great. Offer me a player with that record and I'll snap your hand off. Most players don't play that much anyway.
those are the ones. they had a huge impact... I felt the first bite on ivanovic was him trying to get out of the club cos we were on for 7th and he bit the guy... fine he had bullet proof body or played through niggles unlike a guy with no fight named daniel but 17 league games is huge.
Missing 17 league games means they're still available for twenty-one... ClubSeasonLeagueAppsGoalsLiverpool2012–1314102013–1429212014–151242015–1652Total6037 ...Studge as only managed that once with us
Okay, Danny Agger then, he had plenty of fight in him but... ClubSeasonLeagueAppsGoalsLiverpool2005–06[42]4 2006–07[43]2722007–08[44]5 2008–09[45]1812009–10[46]23 2010–11[47]16 2011–12[48]2712012–13[49]3532013–14[50]202 In nine seasons, he bettered twenty-one games four time.
fine fine... thats an example of a guy who spat out teeth and kept on playing. suaez on the other hand caused himself to miss those games and get involved in **** to the determent of his team mates. thats not fight... thats snide. it'd be like saying does joey barto nshow fight or when he pucnhed that guy in the stomach was he just hurting his club...
