Off Topic we [ BCFC 606 ers ] debated IN or OUT and now

just been listening to TONY B LIAR or some of it … brought this country to its knee's.. dumped it on Gordon and bug***** off to make fortune giving egoist speech's .. still got that smary grin.. and an air of arrogance floating around him .…….

we are about 18 weeks away from leaving the EU and I bet 99.9% of the population doesn't understand what all the hoooo haaaa is being broadcast throughout the day ….

like the lady says the country voted we leave, WE LEAVE on 29th March, …. end of story ...NO.. of course it isn't, it is a complicated exercise and will take time. In the beginning most peeps said it will take up to 5 years
on one hand you have the EU vanguard .." cant make this easy as there is unrest in the camp and a couple more countries are "more than thinking about it"
on our side you have a group of " cry babies that lost the referendum" and want another one, and if they don't win that want another one … so they are trying to make it difficult.
hey imagine the local MP wins by 500 votes, but those that voted for the loser wants another election, and should that fail want a recount or yet another …. really. I didn't vote for my MP but don't want another vote .. stuck with them for a couple more years …!
then you have the voiciferous MINORITY, didn't want the present prime minister.. democracy .. but most voted out and now intent on making it harder than it should be .. I used to like Boris but well my rating of him is on the slide....

Barnier and his mob must be aching down the side and cant believe how easy their task is in trying to cause delays and problems with exit, I say exit as WHEN THIS IS DONE, and it will be who will be next … wont be Germany or France ..…………..
TO BE HONEST the constant coverage of it drives me to watching back dated Magic roundabouts …. boing boiing boing said zebadee

 

After the result I 2 years ago I said it would never happen.
Mrs May was/is a Remainer and I think she's negotiated pathetically - deliberately.
So bad we've been fed doom and more doom from the liberal elite led by the left wing BBC.

I think she's been part of a grand plan never to let us leave the EU.

 

she can not stop it ………...

 

After a great many hours biting my nails and trawling the internet for facts I reluctantly voted Remain, because, well, nobody could tell me what Leave meant.
We still don’t know.
Soon we will know what May’s Leave means. It will probably please more remainers than Brexiteers if what has been published in the press so far is to be believed.
I genuinely don’t know many Brexiteers personally - probably due to my peer groups which consist mainly of financial services and education workers, but those I DO know voted for different reasons; mostly immigration, so if May’s plan ends the ‘free movement of people’ then it might be palatable to them.
Others voted to break free from the rules of unelected ministers in Brussels telling us what to do - well it won’t fix that.
I just can’t wait for this to end so I can get on with my life and plan my retirement.

 

She will by default.
It won't get passed through Parliament and she'll call for another vote.
Even worse, she calls an election and every remainer will vote Labour.

Corbyn, Starmer and the lovely Diane Abbott to handle negotiations.
May the Lord help us.

 

I could have backed the 'right' type of leave. In reality, we're never going to get it.

If it were down to me we'd have another vote and I'd vote remain. The past two years have shown us nothing except the high probability that we are going to be much worse off in a no deal situation.

 

I think you’re right RP - it won’t get through parliament.
However, I don’t see Corbyn as some sort of ‘remainers champion’ - because he is a bigger brexiteer than May is.
If there was an election - and he won - he would inherit the internal backstabbing and bickering which the Tories are experiencing now, because his party is just as divided - the public just don’t see it because Labour are not in government and for now they are quite happy to say very little and watch the conservatives destroy themselves.

 

I voted remain and to be honest, I’ve seen a drop in my industry since Brexit started. Not the first year but this year has hit us hard.
I can always remember saying to my wife, we ought to sell our house and rent for a while as they will drop in prices. She asked me why and I said I’ve noticed the dip in enquires in work. That was 2008 and we all know what happened then.
I don’t want another vote, I voted I lost but want to just get on with it and move on. I’m just pissed off that the ones who shouted the loudest about leaving buggered off as soon as the vote came in, to leave dippy face to try and sort it out.

The only thing I will say is to all the people who voted because of immigration. The ones that came here to work are doing a great job doing the things that we felt beneath us. The ones that are here illegally are the problem and guess what they will still get in here illegally. So nothing is changing there, doughnut

Anyway no my wife thought I was talking **** back in 2008 and gets constantly reminded that we could of made some money.

 

If she sells us down the river the Tory’s will be history for a very very long time.
She needs to come out tomorrow and tell us what her exit plan is.
If this gets rejected by the remainers in office then a leadership challenge must happen.
One thing for sure you’ve seen the remainers shout up to now.Wait and see what the Brexiteers feel after her fudging and betrayal.

 

RR
You are wrong on so many accounts here
Firstly, most people vote the same as they always do in a General Election. You won’t see traditional Tory voters flocking to Corbyn - he is far too left wing. New Labour perhaps but Corbyn no.
Secondly, it is more likely to be rejected by the Brexiteers than the remainers - Boris and his henchmen. The remainers will probably be ok with it as it is Remain in all but name.
It is indeed an interesting time we are living in.

 

She will be history shortly have a read those four points JRM staits are a frigging insult to the 52%

 

Wrong, absolutely wrong.
The stupid Theresa May called a general election thinking like you traditional Labour voters in the north of England would vote the same as they did in the Referendum.
Don't you understand that these voters would die rather than vote blue. It's tribal !
A Referendum is completely different to a General Election.

 

To be fair he was referring to another GE (i.e. RR saying the Tories are history), not another referendum.

 

The exodus has begun.
I honestly don’t know where we are going from here. A General election? Prime Minister Boris? Corbyn?
What a shambles - and it’s Cameron’s fault.

 

Yep agreed. This is a complete and utter shambles and it all begins with the initial vote being so unclear. A simple in/out clearly did not suffice, as there were many different variants of 'out', not helped by the fact that the Remain campaign were clearly too cocky and didn't expect Leave to win.

Now we're in a situation where we have zero chance of getting any kind of deal through Parliament. The only thing to potentially stop a No Deal is a second referendum which is highly unlikely. Throw into the mix the possibility of another General Election and this is a total clusterf*ck. I hate this Tory government but even I can see another GE right now would just cause far more harm.

In my opinion another vote is needed. What it looks like, I have no idea, but some sort of vote where the people can either choose to stay or go, or at least choose the extent to which we leave if that is what we want. Instead, in our desperacy to please everybody by leaving, we've created a situation where no one is satisfied. Not those who want to remain, not those who wanted to leave due to immigration, not those who wanted to leave due to trading agreements - this just satisfies absolutely nobody.

 

I agree. This deal benefits nobody. We will be ‘out’ of the EU but bound by their rules and regulations. That’s worse than Remain - because at least as a full member we would have had SOME say in shaping those rules.
It could also herald the beginning of the break up of the UK.
I can’t believe how quickly we seem to be crashing from a world player and proud nation, into a fragmented bunch of small countries at war with themselves.

 

Completely agree. I'm only in my late 20's but I think most people my age or below have no idea how precarious the Ireland situation could be. I'm Irish as well as a Bristolian so I'm well aware but most are probably oblivious to the situation. I have mates who are surprised that we have terrorism here before 2001!

 

really! he has from day 1 of being returned as labours leader never stopped, in fact has tunnel vision of being in number 10....
I watch PM'S QT... if you took a piece of paper and drew a lines down the centre so 4 columns, in column 1 you put all the times TM made JC look a an utter total t*** with say 40 lines a page you would be starting a new ream of paper, just made to [column 2 ]look like one halfway through ! …. possibly the first page [ column 3 might have a Handful in col 3 and column 4 maybe reach the bottom?
EVEN IF HE AGREED with everything to go to EU with in November, he would still vote against …. his eyes are transfixed on 10.
TODAY 10.30 TM laid out her proposals voted for by the cabinet [ and by no means finally the finished article].. the basis of NEGOTIATION as the next step in November .. prior to leaving on March 29th 2019.


When TM came to power in 2016 I thought she was "weak" her performance in the polls emphasising that by the result. However since that day she has gotten stronger and today her command of the situation with what she has to work with …. bear in mind this 580 page document .. is not just TM and her team it is a furtherance of the negotiations already partly taken with Barnier and his henchmen.....

BCFCRob, post: 12290033, member: 1011379"] I'm only in my late 20's but I think most people my age or below have no idea how precarious the Ireland situation could be. I'm Irish as well as a Bristolian so I'm well aware but most are probably oblivious to the situation. I have mates who are surprised that we have terrorism here before 2001
I am part Scots .. THE BIGGER PART! ......don't quite get what the precarious Ireland situation might be? Even with a hard border it wont really mean a lot in so much as it would need feet on the ground to man the main road check points and stamp your passport! possibly check the occasional vehicle etc will they set up points on all the lanes and tow path's... don't think so... all sides eu -uk ni know a soft border is in the interest of everybody and in any case there has been one for years now … REMEMBER barnier and his henchmen don't want to lose our £billions every year otherwise they will need to dig deep to pay for the "leeches" draining the euro's because their economies are sh*** Italy...Greece .. Spain ….. so they will put up barrier after barrier …. OR barnier after barnier
The Scottish leader this morning was a real T*** tears in his eyes you never mentioned Scotland, but you did Gibralter and Cyprus …. Scotland voted unaminously to stay part of the uk, his party wanted out they lost so what do they wan.... boo hoo another vote to leave the UK and be part of the EU …. TM in one of her shortest replies of the hour and a half said … didn't mention Scotland BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THE UK...…
Camera flash backs to JC, WHO regularly gets his facts right showed a glum, been smacked in the gob with a wet cod expression , and after one of TM's retorts had rather a deep blush...

FOOTBALLERS … there is a similar link, a tentative one with MP's … [ not all of course ] they get to the top [premiership national team / MP maybe Cabinet or higher then financially they are made …. and get rewarded for doing very little / performing less well .. MP's well a friend of mind stood, he was well a good candidate but came third close third his biggest disappointment " had he been a MP for a term he would have had a nice fat income and a good pension ………..….! how many of the house today at the commons were more interested in their personal gain than that of the country ?

 

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