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WC - Mexico vs Cameroon Thread

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  1. ellewoods

    ellewoods Well-Known Member

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    Thread of those of us watching the game.
     
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  2. Barmbys_Tan

    Barmbys_Tan Well-Known Member

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    I'm watching. Hoping for a Cameroon win
     
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  3. Barmbys_Tan

    Barmbys_Tan Well-Known Member

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    Mexican fans are loud!
     
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  4. ellewoods

    ellewoods Well-Known Member

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    We are on the other thread so that we dont have 3 threads today.
     
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  5. WhittlingStick

    WhittlingStick Well-Known Member

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    Mexico have had 2 perfectly good goals disallowed .
    The first one was very tight when viewed live , but the Linos are supposed to be the very best at their job and failed !
     
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  6. captain caveman

    captain caveman Well-Known Member

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    Am I the only person to think the lino was right on the second goal? He was definately in an offside position, and even though it came off a defender, it wasn't a backpass. Therefore, goal rightly disallowed. Or have the rules changed again?
     
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  7. ellewoods

    ellewoods Well-Known Member

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    If its off the defender it wasnt off-sides. Doesnt matter if its a backpass or not.
     
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  8. Amin Arrears

    Amin Arrears Well-Known Member

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    Got Mexico in my accumulator.

    Should be sailing clear by now. Cameroon will deffo win this now just to underline the officials ineptitude.
     
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  9. Brucebones

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    My Mrs has just informed me that she has drawn Japan & Cameroon in the sweeps on our ship. Never thought I'd be wanting those 2 teams to do well!
     
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  10. originallambrettaman

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    Finally, they're allowed a goal...
     
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  11. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    No you're wrong. If no one touched it its a goal as it was from a corner. If a mexico player touched it on it was offside. If a Cameroon player touched it its on side.
     
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  12. captain caveman

    captain caveman Well-Known Member

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    In the context of Law 11 – Offside, the following defi nitions apply:
    • “nearer to his opponents’ goal line” means that any part of a player’s head,
    body or feet is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the
    second-last opponent. The arms are not included in this defi nition
    • “interfering with play” means playing or touching the ball passed or
    touched by a team-mate
    • “interfering with an opponent” means preventing an opponent from
    playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s
    line of vision or challenging an opponent for the ball
    • “gaining an advantage by being in that position” means playing a ball
    i. that rebounds or is deflected to him off the goalpost, crossbar or an
    opponent having been in an offside position

    ii. that rebounds, is deflected or is played to him from a deliberate save
    by an opponent having been in an offside position
    A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent, who
    deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save), is not considered
    to have gained an advantage.


    From http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/laws/football-11-11/law-11---offside.aspx

    I was hoping this would clear things up, but it made it worse! If it was considered a deliberate playing of the ball, he wasn't offside. If it was an accidental touch of the ball, he was.
    ?​


    **** it, I'm going to stick up for the linesman, just to be controversial. :bandit:
     
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  13. Brucebones

    Brucebones Well-Known Member

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    I was just thinking Mackeroon's No9 looks decent but a bit greedy then saw it was Etoooooo! Case closed!
     
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  14. ellewoods

    ellewoods Well-Known Member

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    The ESPN panel all who are former professionals all said it was a goal and the linesman got it wrong. They all said that since it came off the defenders head it was a good goal. I am sure they know the rules having played in the world cup themselves.
     
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  15. Willson

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    Incorrect, If the opponent who does not have the ball under control (i.e., clear possession and the ability to play the ball deliberately to a place to which he wishes it to go) misplays, misdirects, deflects or miskicks the ball, he has not affected the status of the player who was in the offside position when his teammate played the ball.

    http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/worldfootball/clubfootball/01/37/04/27/interpretation_law11_en.pdf

    example 12 ^
     
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  16. ellewoods

    ellewoods Well-Known Member

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    Then perhaps the header is considered a pass in that situation. The guys on the panel were definite that the ref got it wrong.
     
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  17. Mr Hatem

    Mr Hatem Well-Known Member

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    The Mexican chicas seem to be having a wet T-shirt contest!
    Nice bum at Half-Time too :)
     
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  18. Willson

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    I'm fairly sure the rules have changed in recent years so they could have been wrong due to that, but I've just watched the video of the disallowed goal and nobody could claim that the header was intentionally directed to the back post
     
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    ellewoods Well-Known Member

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    I will go with the former world cup players on this. Nothing personal.
     
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  20. captain caveman

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    Link doesn't work for me, but that ^ was my thinking. Usually it's a backpass that an offside player intercepts, but that defender had no idea where that ball was going to go, it was hardly a deliberate placing of the ball. Therefore he was offside and the linesman was correct.
     
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