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Walter Out

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Sir Cheshire Ben, Aug 3, 2024.

  1. SydneyTiger14

    SydneyTiger14 Well-Known Member

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    A lot of managers have clauses where if they don't meet certain criteria their pay out is a lot less. Moyes at United, for instance, was required to make top 4.

    I don't think it would have bene unreasonable for Walter to have a 'top 12' clause in his contract possibly. I doubt he'd have a clause after 15 games though unless we were really clever and determined that this International break would be a chance to re-assess. I doubt Walter would accept that though.

    End of the day as much as we spent money in the window (let's call it 25m to be ultra-conservative), when amortised over those signings, we've only 'spent' 6m in this reporting period (plus wages of course). Our wage bill in 22/23 was 22m, so even if somehow our wages have jumped to say, 30m this season (which I'd really struggle to believe), that means we're looking at maybe 40m spent with income of about 20m (before considering player sales). That means a 20m loss with Greaves sold for 15m means a 5m loss. We made about the same (5m loss) in 22/23, so unless we made a 20m loss last year and Tan completely trousered the Philogene, Tufan, Allsop etc. sales then we have at LEAST 5-10m up our sleeve.

    Not wanting to turn this into another FFP thread, but I was deliberately very conservative there from both a cost and income perspective (I think our wage bill has decreased rather than increased, I think our transfer fees were a lot less than 25m, etc.) to highlight that we have headroom available if it's needed.
     
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  2. Shark Sports

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    There were happy and trying to spend big money on a striker on Deadline Day so there's plenty available, I'm just not sure Acun will want to do it any more. It's all gone a bit pear-shaped and I don't think a striker solves this (it'll help though)
     
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  3. SydneyTiger14

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    Yeah I was going to mention the striker pursuit as evidence that we do have money if need be.
     
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  4. Howdentiger2

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    There's definitely head room to do things but I'm not sure there's the desire
     
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  5. Shark Sports

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    I don't think throwing money around in January is the answer personally.

    This season is gone for any decent ambitions, and it's about staying up.

    We just need some stability, and for things to settle down (with a new manager)

    We wouldn't go for him but I think Eustace would be a sensible appointment. Goes about his business quietly and does a decent job
     
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  6. SydneyTiger14

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    Sorry I meant in terms of sacking Walter.
     
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  7. TurkeyTeeth™

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    According to Baz, safe money is on Acun sticking by Walter for the foreseeable future.

    I just wish he would pick a formation that would suit the personnel we have, and then play them in their natural positions.

    For much of today, we had Slater on one wing and Bairstow on the other. If we don’t have sufficient fit wingers in the team then pick a formation for the players we do have.
    We have two capable wing backs in Dremeh and Giles but Dremeh is too right footed to be played on the left, and Giles clearly isn’t trusted.
     
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  8. SydneyTiger14

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    Burstow

    But yeah a 3-5-2 makes the most sense with the players we have available. Chuck McLoughlin in that defence, Giles and Drameh wing backs, Pedro and Burstow up front, and Palmer, Omur and Puerta in the middle.

    Simples.
     
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  9. oozkan

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    Mixture of many things, to be fair most of them Gala fans. Small part of it political things and related to suspicious connections of Acun with people jailed.
     
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  10. The B&S Fanclub

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    L, D, L, D, L, L,W....
    5 pts from 21...relegation fodder.
     
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  11. willyfog

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    Here’s the points I think based on our performance we should have taken from our last 6

    Sunderland (1)
    Burnley (1)
    Derby (3)
    Portsmouth (1)
    Oxford (3)
    West Brom (1)

    10 points. We took 3. It boils down to fine margins but we are the wrong side of this over and over again. Walter can’t seem to turn it around and you hear all the time about it being a results business and in that sense Walter is a failure.

    As harsh as it may be with all the mitigating factors, I think we need to make the change.
     
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  12. Stockholm Tiger

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    I just want a manager who picks the formation and tactics based on the players he has available not on some immutable genius master plan.

    Walter isn't our first manager stick rigidly to his personal ethos but he's becoming one of the least successful at it.

    Improvise, adapt, overcome!

    Don't just bang your head against the wall shouting plan B is to do plan A better.
     
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    You’re optimistic, but I’d say we get a point v Luton, 3 v Wednesday & something from the Swansea game, the rest all losses.
    Having said all that, if we can stop the conceding early & play like we did in the second half yesterday, we could win quite a few of those games.
     
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  14. tigerrev

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    A run like that would not surprise me at all. We have "League 1 club in waiting" written all over us at the moment. We have:
    A divided squad - some don't buy into Wally's system
    A deluded manager - everything is okay, it's just that the fans don't understand his revolutionary style
    An increasingly disillusioned and divided fan base - hence the booing at recent games by some and the condemnation of said booing by others
    And we are dropping down the league table like a stone

    All of which is a recipe for disaster. Those who want us to keep Wally - go ahead and keep him - but at the same time remember to set your sat-nav for Exeter, Northampton and Reading, cos they're the sort of places we will be visiting next season
     
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  15. tigerrev

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    Agree with this - could have, would have, should have - don't count. Ten Hag could argue that Manure played well in his last game at West Ham and they were unlucky to lose -but they did lose and he got the boot. We can't be unlucky every week. The manager gets the plaudits when a team does well - he also carries the can when the team doesn't put the points on the board.
     
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  16. originallambrettaman

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    None of us have any control over whether he stays or goes and it's unlikely that many will be upset if he's sacked, it's hardly as if this board is full of support for him.
     
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  17. tigerrev

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    No, but you and some other posters recently suggested that Wally deserved more than the 15 games he's had so far - how many more? How bad do things have to get before we all realize what a shambolic appointment this is?
     
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  18. Plum

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    On the plus side TW should find it easier fielding a settled side now he's got fewer players to choose from...:bandit:
     
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    I've never said anything of the sort, I just said he'd never have agreed a contract that said he'd be sacked after fifteen games if he didn't win enough of them.
     
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  20. Tigerboy98

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    Where’s the myth that players haven’t bought into the system come from? And if that’s the case why are you not having a go at the players rather than the manager
     
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