Yep, that's right, next Saturday's game against Palarse is make or break for Mr Hughton. Defeat or even if we fail to win will in all probability be the end for him if not at the final whistle, most certainly after the inevitable mauling at the hands of the little coypu and the scousers in the next match. McNally should put Hughton and us fans out of our misery right now IMO, he won't I'm pretty sure of that, but he should so a new man can be put in charge sooner rather than later to assess the squad and plan for the January window to give us a fighting chance of avoiding the drop. Notwithstanding the injuries we currently have, I truly believe we have more than enough quality players to achieve this, but with Hughton at the helm it just ain't gonna happen. Hughton Out ! OTBC CTI
I would almost guarantee that if we beat C. Palace he won´t be sacked, whatever the result at Liverpool, and why should he be, success or failure at Anfield is not what he´ll be judged on, or at least not by McNally anyway. Oh, and incidentally, Hughton In !
I'm coming to the conclusion that's it like banging your head against a wall at the moment regards this subject KIO, it's obvious to several of us " Bad supporters" but all it's doing is getting everyone wound up. My opinion of him won't change, he's a poor tactition & an even worse motivator, but if you say you want him out the happy clappers say " who do you want in?" I haven't got a nailed on favourite but I also don't think it's a safer bet to keep going with CH as IMO he's just not going to come up with a winning formula next week or the week after blahdy blah ! So for now I shall go quietly about my buisiness and not bother with this matter. In my own mind I know what needs doing & I hope DM does to.
Just as a matter of interest, out of those that want Hughton out because you say he is a bad tactician, what were your feelings when he was first appointed as manager? Were they the same, or have your opinions changed of him since he has been with us?
In the PL, the question will always be asked. Different people have different answers. Let's live with that.
You may well be right that he'll go if we lose to Palace, and it is certainly possible that we will lose. It is odd that opinion is so firmly divided where in reality there are clearly shades of grey, but fans of both sides are idiots that know nothing about football according to the other side. The assumption is that we'll go down with Hughton Many folk would say we've had a tough start to the season, admittedly with some terrible performances at times. Looking across lambert's and Hughton's records over last season and this on thus far. Mr wonderful w 14 d 13 l 22 points 57 Mr ****, w 13, d 16 l 21 points 55. For those purely on results there is not much to choose between the two- just saying. We could very easily have at least 3 more points, and things would not be wonderful, but would be in mid table mediocrity. The rallying cry is now we will be relegated so what is there to lose- this is fortune telling at the very least.
How can people draw conclusions about CH as a tactician purely from his time as manager of NCFC? He has managed two other clubs, surely if you are interested in him as a tactician you would need to know just as much about his time with Newcastle and Birmingham? Did his Newcastle team walk away with the Championship using flawed tactics? Did his Birmingham team do creditably in the Europa League and reach the Championship play offs using flawed tactics? I'd be rather surprised to learn that those teams did as well as they did in spite of CH not because of him.
Why just compare Hughton and Lambert, Longsight? We finished 11th last season and currently lie 16th this season. There were 8 other managers last season who did less well than CH, and currently the teams from 11th to 20th are separated by just 7 points, and those from 11th to 18th by just 4 points (with WBA and Villa still to play each other tomorrow). Does this really support the view that Chris Hughton is a clueless manager? If it does you have to say just about half the managers in the PL are equally clueless.
My question was asked of those who say that he is a bad tactician. I never said that was my opinion of him.
Why shouldn't we just compare Hughton and Lambert. They are the 2 most recent Norwich managers. People on here seem to be saying that Hughton is a not as good a manager as Lambert was when he was with us. Seems reasonable to compare the two to me
I was just using the manager that most naysayers hold up as an exceptional manager to illustrate a point- seemed reasonablething to do: by bringing other teams into it, many of whom have swapped managers simply introduces confounding variables
I wasn't complaining about your post Longsight, just pointing out that CH's record while managing us is not provably worse than that of half the managers in the league this season or last.
Well yes if that were all they were saying. But they are also claiming he is managerially clueless, not just managerially clueless compared to Lambert.
The big difference when we had Lambert in charge was the not losing two games in a row stat it lasted ages and we looked like we could have a good go at anyone. We usually conceded but had the belief we could score more and win games, i can only remember winning after going behind 2 or 3 times during Hughtons reign and instead of being pumped up i end up watching the match in stunned silence shaking my head and tutting pretty much like C H does most Saturday afternoons.
You've got the answer to your question in your own post. He did well with Newcastle in the CHAMPIONSHIP He did well with Brom in the CHAMPIONSHIP That is clearly his level ? And yes I did think at the time he was appointed he was the best we could have got in, but it shows just how hard the step up in class is from the championship to the prem, and this is where I feel his short comings have shown up. I've nothing against the guy on a personal level, he's tried his best but his best will take us back to where HE belongs.
If we lose we're a point above Palace after over a quarter of the season, which I'm not sure is an acceptable position. But, if we're going to make a change, I'd rather it was done more like Southampton than Palace. A month with Calderwood or Trollope in charge is not something I want to contemplate. I don't know who we want, my day-to-day job is chemical synthesis not a football talent scout, but I trust McNally and the board to have that person and to make the correct decision, they've given me no reason to doubt them so far. If they still believe nobody better than Hughton is available, then I begrudgingly support that. We've got the 4th cheapest squad in the league so 17th place is an average finish for us, 16th is still just about overachieving. With the way we're playing and the results though, it doesn't feel like that.
Tbh honest guys, you look a team without heart at the moment. Its look all too clinical and strict in the style of play, lambert gave your players with lesser skills have freedom to express themselves and it worked. All i would say is stay strong and remember, whatever your views every ncfc supporter want the best for ncfc.
