I was reading that Jussi Jaaskelainen is on £40k per week. Paul Robinson may be on something similar. The Star says that Jussi has been offered half that for the next two years. A lot of other players who don't seem even as good as that seem to get £30k per week. Blackpool got relegated with a ceiling cap of £10k per week. Swansea seem to be doing well with a ceiling of £20k per week. Norwich are doing well without paying high wages. The fact is that unless you push the boat out it is difficult to stay in the Premier League. Unless you are in the top 10 then one bad season and you're gone. This is more likely to happen to any of the bottom ten. Most clubs outside the top few have a lot of pretty poor players but they complement them with some good players. Throw in a manager who knows what he's doing and you have a good chance. In the championship if you look at the top clubs they usually have a good striker - who's bought the good strikers available recently? Fryatt is a good striker but we have to play to his strengths. Look at Andy Carroll - you have to play to his strength whereas Suarez has the ability to play in any system. I don't blame the previous regime for overspending. They didn't pay massive wages and Bullard could easily of paid off - he had a positive impact on the team until his second injury for us. Not many players who we wanted would come to us and accept a relegation clause. We had to pay over the odds for players. The bad decisions were selling Turner and Phil Brown panicking in December 2008/January 2009. We were never going to do well if we concentrated on defence like we did. Granted we made some bad choices of players but most clubs do that. I think the key is to ensure we have a good spine and get the right players in to support them. This applies in the championship as well as the premier league. You need to pay up to £25k a week in the championship to attract a few good players to enable you to get promotion and pay up to £40k a week to stay in the premier league. We have to plan to do that while increasing the ground capacity and hospitality offerings. It's no good saying that if it looks like we can get promotion we will spend more to try to achieve it, even less so if we then change our minds. You have to develop a plan and then try to achieve it. The Allams have spent a lot and nobody should blame them if they settled for mid table in the championship. I'm not sure how many players we will attract though. I can't see any incentive for any players to join us unless we pay over the odds. This means we are not getting value for money. The big problem seems to be the ground - small and quiet and not owned by us. I think it would make a bit difference if we were able to increase the ground capacity to 40k with opportunity to expand to 60k. I know we can't fill it now but we can offer reduced prices for the worst seats and make up the difference with sales in the club shop, food and drink kiosks and hospitality. I would also ensure one end had good acoustics to improve the atmosphere. Combined with success on the pitch people would flock to a special occasion every two weeks. Unless you are a die hard fan what is the reason for anybody going to the KC now? Presently we seem to be drifting with it more likely that good players will leave than we sign good players.
we couldnt get 60k if it was free entry and a free buffet ! pretty much agree with wot ur saying though - however im not too concerned that Allams are holding tight to whats left of their cash . It would be silly to not allow for a steadying of the ship first . . the problem was in JAN we were very close to being genuine contenders , but realistically the club would still need to spend a lot for improvements and Barmby seems prepared to show his players full loyalty - which as a former player i guess he thought the extra confidence boost to his attackers would give them the extra kick ... it wasnt such a bad judgement even if it kinda flopped.
Nobody will now pay £25k in wages in the NPC other than those releagted from the PL or the Thais at Leicester - £10k- £12k for even the best such as Robbie Koren will be the highest earners particularly with the new Financal Fair Play scenario... The KC is not small even by PL standards - the likes of Wigan WBA Stoke Wolves Norwich et all all have similar capacities - could with being max 32000 - east stand extension would give us that.. as for not owning the ground it doesn't seemed to have done Man City any harm The NPC is a good league filled with large provincial clubs such as ourselves - we have averaged almost 19000 and the standard of football on offer has been prety good as far as I am concerned.. 'Unless you are a die hard fan what is the reason for anybody going to the KC now?- blimey mate do you feel like slashing your wrists?
'The bad decisions were selling Turner and Phil Brown panicking in December 2008/January 2009. We were never going to do well if we concentrated on defence like we did. Granted we made some bad choices of players but most clubs do that.' So did Phil Brown want to sell Turner then?
Sorry Peter, but much of that is nonsense. £25k a week buys you plenty of decent Premier League footballers and you don't need to spend anything like that much to get decent Championship players. There's a big change going on at the moment, clubs have realised that excessive wages need to be curtailed and spending is being reduced across all the leagues. With the exception of the likes of Man City, there is substantial deflation in player wages at the moment and half our best players have a combined wage of less than Bullard's. As for the previous regime, they didn't just overspend, they spent a fortune on ****e. Kamel Ghilas was on £1.5k a week and we offered him £20k a week with no relegation clause, we didn't have to overpay like that at all, it was merely mismanagement on an epic scale(mixed with a little nest feathering).
we couldnt get 60k if it was free entry and a free buffet ! Ha ha ha maybe if we offered free beer all day as well we might get 50,000
Hunt is on £30k at Wolves and they are going down. Myhill will still be on £16k at Birmingham and what will King be on? What will some of the other strikers be on? Will we be anything more than mid table? There's always a few clubs pushing the boat out to have a good chance of promotion. The Lancashire clubs that get less than us are all in the shadow of the Liverpool and Manchester clubs.
Well I hope that whatever our budget we can pull a team together who really want to play for the club, enjoy playing for the club, have a really good workrate and that will fight to win every game and work for Nick to get us as high up the league as possible next season. Those type of players are not always the highest paid or the ones that cost the most. The right attitude and desire, together with a certain amount of talent can do the job.
Its about getting the balance right within the team. We have good young players but a bit of experience could be the difference between 10th & 6th place
Unfortunately, it was necessary to meet the wage bill for all the overpaid ****e footballers he'd signed.
Every year the Guardian summarises the various Premier League clubs accounts to show how well clubs are being run. Last season's are not yet available (it's usually produced mid-May), but last years is found at http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/may/19/football-club-accounts-debt#data When we last got promoted, the club posted wages around the £8m mark, and I believe we were making a loss on those figures. According to the above article, Blackpool has a wage bill of £13m to get promoted, which was 144% of the clubs income. If they'd have failled to get promoted, that would really have put them in trouble Our first year in the Premier League saw us pay £34million in wages http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/may/19/premier-league-finances We know from reports the Allams have paid out £51 million to keep this club afloat, so is it really fair to expect them to keep bank-rolling the club further. Investing the kind of wages speculated will once again put the club in danger when we're simply not a big enough club to balance those books. Surely basic accountacy isn't it? I don't know about Peter, but I'd rather the club was sensible, giving me a team to support for many years to come, rather than risk all on a single attempt to get promoted potentially meaning failure seeing the club could no longer exist
An extension to the East stand would render the place completely silent. People moan about the atmosphere now and it's better than a lot of clubs, if we split that stand in half it would be silent. I can't imagine what people would say then.
The main problem with Hull City is that the ground is too small to support a Premier League club. Clubs like Newcastle and Sunderland have big grounds but they didn't have attendances higher than ours when they were in our position. If we get promoted to the Premier League we dont have the funds to stay there because, other than TV and sponsorship, our income is limited by the capacity. We have to invest in the capacity first. I would like the club to be here for many years to come but what is the point of making it difficult for ourselves? Why should we accept we are not going to have the income to take advantage of being in the Premier League? Why only get players who will give us a comfortable mid table championship position? Will we be able to attract ambitious players when we are not ambitious ourselves? Our advantage is that we have a great catchment area. I remember when we had attendances of 30k and more in the 60s. We shouldn't try to copy other clubs when their situation is different. Some clubs have low attendances because of the proximity of big clubs. Some clubs have rich owners. We should have more varied prices - all the prices are similar. Some people will pay £30 and others will only come if its £15. Even the £15 people will get food, drink, programmes, shirts and scarves. We need to have the acoustics to generate an intimidating atmosphere. Presently we are not one thing or the other. We don't have the income/benefactor to stay in the Premier League or even get there and we are too big to be relegated. Whatever the Allams have spent is in the past makes no difference to the future. Are we just going to be seen as an unambitious club and our value decline steadily or are we going to snap out of the stupor and give us a chance to be worth something? What do the Allams want to own? I'm not talking about risking all on a single attempt to get promotion - I'm talking about doing what we need to do to move forward. As I said: if you are not a die hard fan or an opposition fan, is there a good reason to go to the KC? Nick Barmby talks about what we must do but we all know that we wont do it using Ealing Tigers plan.
