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Vurnon Anita = Ridiculously under rated

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  1. Darth Plagueis

    Darth Plagueis Well-Known Member

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    I've thought highly of him for ages, and it's just bad luck that he had to be left out when Sissoko, Cabaye and Tiote were all fit in the past, or he just didn't have a place in the starting 11 due to Pardew's genius tactics... mainly the idea that Tiote is so intelligent and a great ball player, and can also run up the pitch and chase players around....

    Anita is EASILY the most the most intelligent player in the entire squad. He reads the game better than everyone else, probably as well as an in form Coloccini, if not better.

    He's extremely under valued. He's made mistakes, but he's versatile, and his decision making skills are usually very good. He seems like a canny lad who will just do a job without complaint.

    He shouldn't be relied on to create a lot of goals, but he definitely deserves a place in this team, and when we don't need him for fullback, he should be playing CDM.

    No one else in the midfield has a footballing ****ing brain! Sissoko is only good when he can just go at it with a full tank, he's not intelligent. Colback is a hard working lad and decent all round, with more coaching he could be a captain one day. I could see Colback and Anita making a decent CDM partnership. Colback the one that gets stuck in, Anita the one that intercepts passes and distributes and holds.

    We need someone in that central midfield with a brain, and someone who can pass water, at least. Anita's not cabaye, but his intelligence allows him to read the game and spot a good pass in the right area.

    I couldn't pick out many games in which he was at fault for our defeat. He's not always been good, but he's never really been below average for me, and I am far more relaxed with him at the back than Tiote, Sissoko or Abeid.
     
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  2. Warmir Pouchov

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    He's a something or nothing player for me. Lacks the physical capacity and aggression to be truly effective in a holding role. Lacks the guile to be deployed in any creative role.

    I think Abeid and Colback are better at doing the role he is best at doing. In a less physical league I think he would look a lot better.
     
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  3. Beardsley's Rancid Sack

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    I've always liked him. Needs some meat on his bones though. Can't be easy for him playing at a left back, a position we haven't properly replaced since Enrique left.
     
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  4. Darth Plagueis

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    I disagree. I think if he's played along side a more physical player, he can do fine. He's not a physical threat or a great baller winner, but in terms of having a player that can be relied upon for decision making, moving well, keeping up with play, distribution, I think he can do well.

    I think he is more aggressive that we give credit for, he can put good pressure on players if needed. But we don't have to have an all round player that can tackle, pressurize, distribute, move and create. Those players cost 25m.

    Anita is good at a certain role, and as long as he's next to someone like Colback, he can do fine. IMO.
     
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    Agree with a lot of this, one of the few players we have with footballing intelligence (tbf we don't have a lot of ..anything ..in the squad.)

    personally prefer Abeid in the centre with Colback as he has real bite/intensity/physicality to him

    I'd be tempted with a midfield 3 of Colback /Abeid and Anita ..with Anita playing the foremost role ala Cabaye-ish.

    (Sissoko isnt one of my fave players..think he is very overrated and only infrequently plays to his full potential (when he does he is unstoppable mind) but 9 time out of 10 he is a box of rocks when in comes to football intelligence .. ie get the ball, run with it till you lose it, an dont ever ever look up)
     
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  6. Lord Jonjomort

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    I think Anita's a right back. I don't think it's coincidence it was his best game. He is intelligent, but lacks aggression; you're less exposed on the flanks. He's a useful player to have around, I think, but should be part of a squad, not a first team. Backup to Janmaat with the occasional sub appearance in midfield.
     
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    I like Anita.
    He's better on the right but I think his involvement depends on the formation.
    This is how I'd like to see us potentially set up next year.. With a new manager on the sidelines.

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    Agree with what you say.

    Anita = tidy, intelligent player but for me to small and fails to impose himself on players or game.

    Abeid = potentially tidy and intelligent player if allowed a run of games and has more physicality which puts him, for me, ahead of Anita.

    Sissoko = grossly over-rated player who is unplayable about 1 in 10 games and anonymous 7 in 10.
     
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    The problem, like with a lot of our players is the **** tactics and **** formations they are being asked to take part in. As we have seen ever since Pardew was in charge the players we have do not fit the system our ****ty coaches are trying to get them to do. Why have technical players if we are going to play the same ****ty tactics each week? We either need a whole new coaching set up and a manager who will play these players to their capabilities or we buy ex Wimbledon players.
     
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    I couldn't disagree more I think he's absolute ****. Bullied off the ball every game, passing is poor, can't tackle to save his life. He's been garbage almost every game he's played this season with the very odd exception.
     
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    Can't agree with the comment about his passing being poor. One of the few players who doesn't hoof it, usually neat and tidy and finds a man.
     
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    Essentially I think you actually agree <laugh> you've just described a player is basically a guy who runs around knitting things together. He is a decent footballer, very tidy. If you have creativity in there and physicality, then there is third role for the man who makes things tick. Or you can play two of those types. The bottom line is though that is exactly the same player that Abeid and Colback are. I'd select both ahead of Anita. Indeed Abeid would be one of the first names on my teamsheet. His treatment by Carver is bewildering.
     
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    On the subject of Sissoko - I think you have to accept him for what he is to appreciate him. In a proper squad with different options, he'd look great. When the team is going well and he is in form, he can destroy teams. However when your back is against the wall or you need a bit of intelligence then just forget it. He's thick as pig **** and a lazy bastard with a weak heart.

    I do think though like Ginola or Robert or Dyer, there is something useful there. However you need a proper squad to make best use of it. When he becomes a key player who you need consistency from, he ends up looking a bit ****. If you dropped him into the top sides squads, they'd use him as an impact sub or when a game required a bit stretching.

    I kept hearing when Pards was here how he was misused, how we never got the best of him. I just never bought it. Indeed Pards extracted the most of out of him and allowed him time to adapt by playing him right side. He is a bit limited.
     
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    Im guna shock everyone here.......






    I agree with Tash
     
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    BUMP -

    So I realise he made a real hash of that opportunity... but he's been excellent over the last few games. He can do a job at CDM and RB.

    Versatile, good reader of the game, and it was great anticipation of the tackle to win the ball in the first pace.

    I really doubt he'd do anything similar in the future.

    We'd be fools to let him go. Not saying he's a world beater but we need hard working versatile players.

    He's also a great reader of the game.
     
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    He should be a very good squad member.

    He shouldn't be good enough for the first team.
     
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    I don't understand why thought. I don't buy this BS from some people that he's too "lightweight". You don't need to be big if you're clever as Colo has proven when he was in form, same as Ramires, Fernandihno, who are maybe a bit taller than Anita, but still as light as he is.

    He pulls whatever weight he has well enough.

    He can intercept passes, track players, he can play the ball well enough (even though sunday wasn't a great example), and he's also a very hard worker.

    That was a great tackle he made to set us on the counter, but it was a 1/20 bad mistake he made vs West Ham.

    There's no one in this squad that reads the game as well as he does. No one!
     
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    I like Anita as he is a decent tidy player who thinks.

    He isn't of a quality for me to be in a first team which we should have. We should be looking for a ACM who can think pass and score and a DCM who can think pass and tackle.

    We also need two top quality strikers and two top quality defenders.
     
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    I personally like him. Feel like he needs to play more consistently though. He is better in the middle. I think he needs a bit of help. He is always trying to work short passing angles and has good movement but needs everyone on the same page.
     
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    Can't say I agree with him at cam. He had a good game. We all know cabaye would have scored that 4-1 and not even looked to pass. We need a grenier or shelvey in that cabaye role.
     
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