Can we have a straight forward "yes" or "no" poll for this shower of **** that is killing the game.
Clearly I ****ing love it. Not.
Clearly I ****ing love it. Not.
Off Topic VAR
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It's not being used properly.
We might still be in the PL if had been available imho. The amount of dodgy decisions we got against us every single season was unbelievable.
We might still be in the PL if had been available imho. The amount of dodgy decisions we got against us every single season was unbelievable.
Not "used" properly or are the people in charge an absolute shower of ****?
the one and only reason i decided VAR might be good for the game was that it should cut out all the cheating and diving...how wrong was i?
if anything it has made it worse, the many changes in the hand ball rule this season alone is proof of that, add on this 'if there is contact it is a foul' bollox...clear and obvious mistakes was the call originally yet now we hear every single incident is watched, 0.3mm offside is a complete and utter joke and yet another rule they are going to feck about with, as if it is not confusing the feck out of people anyway...can be offside but not interfering with play, was in an offside position during the first phase but can be offside if not actually offside but could be blocking the keepers view...ffs, offside should be offside, clear and simple, same with hand ball which i always understood to be 'using hand or arm to control the ball' not having the ball blasted off your arm from 2 yards away.
get back to clear, straight forward rules that refs and linos do not have to think about and use their own judgement...if it is against the rules then it is a foul and use VAR to bring the refs attention to the cheating/diving/screaming like babies w@nkers so he can card them.
if anything it has made it worse, the many changes in the hand ball rule this season alone is proof of that, add on this 'if there is contact it is a foul' bollox...clear and obvious mistakes was the call originally yet now we hear every single incident is watched, 0.3mm offside is a complete and utter joke and yet another rule they are going to feck about with, as if it is not confusing the feck out of people anyway...can be offside but not interfering with play, was in an offside position during the first phase but can be offside if not actually offside but could be blocking the keepers view...ffs, offside should be offside, clear and simple, same with hand ball which i always understood to be 'using hand or arm to control the ball' not having the ball blasted off your arm from 2 yards away.
get back to clear, straight forward rules that refs and linos do not have to think about and use their own judgement...if it is against the rules then it is a foul and use VAR to bring the refs attention to the cheating/diving/screaming like babies w@nkers so he can card them.
The sending off in the West Ham game is possibly the worst decision I’ve ever seen. Identical situation 10 mins later and not even a foul
Haven’t watched a premier league game since it came in and I don’t intend to either. The championship is where it’s at now.
I just saw that, wtf. If there's another way to clear the ball with your foot other than kicking it in a forward direction I'm all ears. Ridiculous decision.
Use for goal line only it’s on his watch now isn’t it
Then leave the rest to the ref
That’s why he’s there
Then leave the rest to the ref
That’s why he’s there
Close the door and turn off the lights. Games gone if that WBA goal is disallowed.
Not sure VAR that much at fault, WBA standing in front of the keeper is offside, even without VAR.
However two main problems with VAR
1. Millimetre offside..wtf...there has to be a margin of error brought in, cos of the time when the kicker first kicks the ball until there is daylight between his foot and the ball.
2. Handball that is accidental, ie blasted against somebody a few feet away etc
Tennis, Rugby and Cricket all use versions of VAR...it is only stupid football administrators who fcuk it up for football.
It is also not used enough to punish divers!
However two main problems with VAR
1. Millimetre offside..wtf...there has to be a margin of error brought in, cos of the time when the kicker first kicks the ball until there is daylight between his foot and the ball.
2. Handball that is accidental, ie blasted against somebody a few feet away etc
Tennis, Rugby and Cricket all use versions of VAR...it is only stupid football administrators who fcuk it up for football.
It is also not used enough to punish divers!
VAR technology works well in cricket, but that is already a very start-stop game. More importantly, their rules are very well defined.
In Rugby Union the TMO used to work well when the Ref used to ask them to check specific issues. The last few seasons though it has all to often been 'Is there any reason for me not to award a try?' The refs have essentially been offloading their responsibility onto the TMOs. They said this wouldn't happen, but it has. At least we get to see what the ref sees and hear his conversation with the TMO.
In football we were sold a vision (no pun intended) of 100% correct and speedy decisions in 30 to 45 seconds, but the reality falls far short of that. The trouble is that things like handball required longer subjective interpretation so we have rule changes to make VAR Reviews easier - eg any contact is a foul, any touch is handball and still we get subjectivity and mistakes.
Somehow the closed,backroom nature of VAR and its necessary delays appear to have robbed football of its soul, its very beauty.
In Rugby Union the TMO used to work well when the Ref used to ask them to check specific issues. The last few seasons though it has all to often been 'Is there any reason for me not to award a try?' The refs have essentially been offloading their responsibility onto the TMOs. They said this wouldn't happen, but it has. At least we get to see what the ref sees and hear his conversation with the TMO.
In football we were sold a vision (no pun intended) of 100% correct and speedy decisions in 30 to 45 seconds, but the reality falls far short of that. The trouble is that things like handball required longer subjective interpretation so we have rule changes to make VAR Reviews easier - eg any contact is a foul, any touch is handball and still we get subjectivity and mistakes.
Somehow the closed,backroom nature of VAR and its necessary delays appear to have robbed football of its soul, its very beauty.
That’s only the case if the header goes in. As soon as it is finished by the forward running in, he’s irrelevant. Unless you’re going to give an offside because a keeper can’t see past a striker even though the ball is nowhere near.
F that was at the other end, it’d have been watched 75 times and taken 20 minutes. Because it’s only West Brom it doesn’t matter
I was absolutely delighted to see Chelsea's goal ruled out on saturday. The brand team's margin of error was always a chasm compared to the little teams, so the level playing field is brilliant for the likes of us.
A fair point but as I understand the law.. he was offside and interfering with play.
The big mistake of the referee was to give a free kick not a drop ball, for Liverpool's first goal.
watched soton v city earlier and watched the MotD highlights...
two things, first was the disallowed goal for soton, i noticed they chose the final frame when the ball actually leaves the foot of the passer, had they chose the frame where he first makes contact with the ball for the pass i am sure he would have been onside, so when exactly is that choice made and by whom?
if it is the moment the ball leaves the foot of the passer then that has to be the same for every tight call.
second, why were soton not given a penalty, they had their lad all but clear on goal when the city defender leapt in with both feet off the ground, luckily he did not make any great contact but i though 'intent' was a big thing when making a call in such cases or is that another of the 'when it suits the big teams' calls?
granted there was no appeal from the soton player but he did not see the leap, i dare say a similar tackle on a city player would have warranted a VAR check.
...or am i just nit-picking now as i hate VAR?
two things, first was the disallowed goal for soton, i noticed they chose the final frame when the ball actually leaves the foot of the passer, had they chose the frame where he first makes contact with the ball for the pass i am sure he would have been onside, so when exactly is that choice made and by whom?
if it is the moment the ball leaves the foot of the passer then that has to be the same for every tight call.
second, why were soton not given a penalty, they had their lad all but clear on goal when the city defender leapt in with both feet off the ground, luckily he did not make any great contact but i though 'intent' was a big thing when making a call in such cases or is that another of the 'when it suits the big teams' calls?
granted there was no appeal from the soton player but he did not see the leap, i dare say a similar tackle on a city player would have warranted a VAR check.
...or am i just nit-picking now as i hate VAR?
I think the vast majority of fans, players, pundits and match officials hate VAR but they are too afraid to backtrack on it. The whole thing is a shower of **** imo.
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The Man City penalty check got me. Play had gone on for at least a minute and a half then they went back and looked at it over and over for what seemed like an age.
Then decided it was a foul outside the box and they can't change that.
I thought it was clear and obvious error, surely if you have to look over and over it's never going to be clear and obvious?
Then decided it was a foul outside the box and they can't change that.
I thought it was clear and obvious error, surely if you have to look over and over it's never going to be clear and obvious?