I thought it was a pen tbf, turning your back on the ball as a defender is sacrilege! Arms out as well, if it didn't hit the elbow of the front arm could have hit the hand behind it, get the reasoning how are you meant to jump with your arms by your side but the shot didn't look like it was on target so no need. Correct decision for me and fair play to Rashford was a hell of a penalty!
Not on target, no pen for me. That is how I believe it should work. Most that have played would expect that to be the rule. It just feels right to a football person. I have no idea what the actual rule is though. You will get into the realms of technology becoming involved though, as they'd use hawkeye to determine if it was on target.
Eh?? So if a shot is not going in a player should be allowed to handle it? Might feel right to you but not sure how many "football people" would say it feels right!! I have seen this so many times and think it's a penalty every time - why hang the arm out if you have no intent on stopping the ball with it? Turns his back, looks towards the ball and sticks his arm out. They may not be given very often but I think they always should be
I'm glad it was given. PSG, like Man City, are an abomination and should be purged. Nothing against the actual clubs or fans, just what they represent and how they behave. Toss Putin's mate Roman in with them an 'all. Also I quite like seeing the old Man U back. You have to respect that attitude, particularly when they were crap for 35 minutes.
Can see why it is given, I could raise no objections if it hadnt have been given. VAR will never iron out all of the creases of interpretations that fill the laundry basket that is football, so why bother with it? Get rid.
But how many handballs are? The rule shouldnt be whether it is deliberate or not, it should be whether it was avoidable or not. But I think thats what referees go on anyway. The wording of the rule needs changing.
I don't like VAR but as this decision had a diving cheat like Neymar crying like a baby, it was 100% the correct one. Penalty all day long for me.
Penalty all day long. As a defender, if you turn your back on a football and put your arms up then you can have no complaints if it hits your arm and the ref gives a penalty. Correct decision and Neymar should keep on crying back to the ghetto where he came from. Classless hypocrite.
I think you've misunderstood completely Marcus and you are manipulating what I've said. At no point have I suggested that players should be allowed to handle the ball - that is just being silly to be honest. What I am saying is if a shot is hit and the player is not looking at the ball, and the ball hits his arm. I would give a pen if that shot is on target, I wouldn't if it isn't. Its a different matter altogether if you believe that player has intent to handle the ball. There is no way for me the PSG lad is thinking about his arms when he goes to block that ball. i.e. he isn't think thinking about stopping that ball with his arm. He jumps and in a bit of self protection (some would say being a pussy), he jumps and turns his back. That shot to me looks to be heading well over. Its different if that shot is on target for me because I'd feel they have gained an unfair advantage with the use of an arm regardless of intent. As it is I think Man U gained an unfair advantage for a poor shot and poor decision. Maybe side on I will see a load of dip on it and change my mind but I've only seen one angle. Handballs in the box are notoriously tricky. If a cross comes in and someone jumps with their arms out and the ball has a reasonable distance to travel, I'd always give a handball. If it is from within a few yards with limited time to react, I think it would be ridiculous to give a pen. I think when you've played the game enough you get a feel for what is fair or right/wrong. How you convert that into rules is the difficulty so you are left relying on officials. I'm not always convinced these officials have played much football, so personally I think they will find it difficult to make common sense football decisions.
I think it does but I imagine the rules say otherwise like I say. Put it this way if that had been given in most of the games I played throughout my life, there would be ****ing hell on. I mean I'm pleased it was because I prefer English sides to do well and like to see Neymar cry.
Not a pen imo because his arm was in a natural position he couldn't see the ball coming. I like to keep things real though if I supported man United I'd probably say it was a nailed on pen .
Haven’t actually seen the incident but dont think you can use turning your back on the ball as justification for it not being handball. If you turn your back with your arms out you are trying to gain an unfair advantage so it should be handball. Whether it was on target or not is neither here nor there.
Just watched it and think its a definite penalty. The guy is jumping to try and block the ball and has both his arms out. He is trying to block the ball and his arm is raised.
Absolutely agree. He knows precisely what he’s doing. As I said I’ve seen it happen and not given a number of times (happened for and against us) but I’ve always thought it’s a pen. As from the image I put above, your arm shouldn’t be that far from your body. It’s a completely unnatural position
