Ok so maybe someone has posted about this but my question is... Is var spoiling the World Cup. Jesus it’s never been a problem since the beginning of football. Now we have more penalties than ever. Hearts ruined and basically borderline decisions undermining linesmen who are trying to do their best.......... thoughts!
Too many players, managers and even fans are doing that charades-type TV box shape thingy to get a pen or a player sent off. I thought Ronaldo's pen was good VAR mind but I can see why some people would say it was soft
Think its a great idea and the way its being done is much better than when they trialled it in FA Cup. Essentially have a team of people checking refs decisions and let him know when he should review them. Of course there will still be contentious decisions as what constitutes deliberate handball etc is still subjective.
Been ok for me , its the pretending to be injured and the, time it wastes is the true problem in football now . How much time does that waste .
Absolute farce at present. It’s building momentum too and more and more requests. The idea in principle is good but the way it’s being implemented is shockingly bad. We are trying to eradicate the big controversy but people want it used for every moment because small things have such a large impact in football. We are now having even more inconsistency instead of less with long stoppages to boot. The Ronaldo is terrible. I don’t think it’s a big deal at the time but under the letter of the law he has to go. To bottle it and give him a yellow was crazy.
I think leaving the decision with the on field ref is the problem. It's clearly to support consistency, but it gives them a problem if the ref, with everyone watching him watching a screen, starts to feel pressure, which is inevitable. It's not the same as calling something live, because really with all the support, there is an expectation of a perfect decision. The refs in the box have no pressure on them so are more likely to make the correct call, and there's only been 3 or so decisions they have failed to bring to the refs attention... two of which were in our game vs Tunisia, and that Pique two footer last night.
Been a few more than that to be honest with Mitro and others. However some that have been raised could have been overlooked. I agree though I’m not sure what the ref is doing full of adrenaline under the pump making these decisions. In all other sports technology decides it and an official away from the action looks at it coldly. It’s ****ing madness at the minute. We’ve managed to make what should have been a good thing pretty awful through sheer incompetence.
Personally I like it. Like with most new things it's not perfect (and probably never will be) but that doesn't mean you should chuck it out. It will get better and even in it's current form it's better than having to rely on one man's ability to see everything and make a decision after seeing something in real time. Some rules in football are subjective so there is always going to be a human element to decisions and differing opinions. VAR is there to eliminate the glaringly obvious mistakes.
Some strange ones BUT I do like VAR on the whole. Harry Kane could have had 2 pens vs Tunisia and another before the first vs Panama for wrestling in the box so we are 1/4 for pen decisions...consistency? The handball last night was strange but its down to interpretation of handball and I don't think VAR helped the ref calling him back to look at it. He'd made the initial decision that it wasn't but then if you are called back you obviously think you have missed something but no way it was deliberate but is that a natural position for your arm and did it affect the balls flight? - Let's be honest who has a clue what handball really is anymore? Was it recompense for the one in the first half? Neymar's penalty for a dive the other day was correctly reversed but he wasn't booked for diving which he should have been - doubt Brazil would have gone on to win that game in the end. Some goals correctly allowed and disallowed as well for offside which has worked well. Like it in general but i think it's still in its infancy and will get better.
I initially liked it on the basis that it appeared to be used correctly but now it is getting abused. Must be hard for the referee. If they made the rules a bit easier then that might help. For example: Handball - Make it handball if it.... hits his hand. Matter of fact this point, so change it from Hand to ball to just if it hits the hand. This means you have to make sure you move your hand out of the way of the ball. In Rugby if its a knock on, its a knock on... There is no real grey area and regardless of whether it was meant or not. Offside and interfering with play - make it offside if you are offside. This interfering with play carry on is far to subjective! VAR - and the final decision. If the referee requests it to go to VAR (and the choice should be at the referees discretion IMO) then the decision is made by the panel reviewing the VAR. There are apparently 7 people reviewing the VAR so collectively they could quickly vote and THAT decision is final. I know it is not as cut and dry as I make it out above but one step at a time for this I think!
Fifa are so incompetent it’s hilarious. The above is bang on for me. I’d add: - Anyone making a picture of a television with their fingers or waving an imaginary card - instant booking. Just sit the **** down. - VAR is only brought up by those watching, not on referral. The ref just refs. If he gets a call in his ear, he blows and HE makes the TV picture with his hands. Then we wait, replay goes up on a screen and the VAR ref awards the decision. Play on = drop ball. - VAR is only used for pens, offside GOALS and card offences. Simple, done.
I can't have that on handball. Sometimes you can't move your hand. Your natural position when in the air dictates your arms and hands are raised to jump. Like that Portugal one last night, that should never in a million years be given as handball. We'd end up with loads of pens. VAR is only for the glaring errors. I had a feeling this would happen with VAR. Once you give teams an inch to question decisions, they want every single one questioned. We should have really tested it more I suppose. I can see the desire to get it in place though. Over the long term as it gets ironed out it will be a good thing. This comp is now the pain we have to go through sadly. Its spoilt the spectacle a little for me. I felt for that ref last night, by the end his brain was scrambled. He was scared to be the guy who sent off Ronaldo, he didn't want Iran feeling they'd been hard done to, you've got the Iranians chasing him and chest bumping him. He just lost control of the situation. That's why I agree with JPF, the guys sitting upstairs make the decision. Give the ref an out to say that is the decision they've made and its final. As he is still essentially making the call they have someone in front of them they feel is responsible.
I get what your saying re handball and I was having this discussion with a work mate who agrees with you. I accept there maybe times when you just cant move your hand out of the way in a natural position but maybe at this point VAR could come in and thus decide if it was in fact unavoidable. One thing I do think VAR could stamp out is diving and grappling to get penalty's/deny goal scoring opportunities. There should also be more respect to the referees, the players should be informed prior to any matches that the referees decision is final, no arguing, no ifs or buts and if he is feeling a player steps out of line, instant booking. In every situation! Players would get to grips with it pretty quickly. IT MUST BE A FACT THAT YOU CANNOT UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES ARGUE WITH THE REFEREE!
I like it, it's made far more good calls than bad ones, but as usual people only pick up on the bad. VAR isn't making he calls, the ref is. atm it's new and people are finding their feet wit it so it'd bound to have a few teething problems but it will improve the game as time goes on, histrionics like Neymar's fall will become a thing of the past (if refs give a yellow, disappointed with how much simulation has gone unpunished), wrestling at corners will stop, penalty decsions will be far better, ;egitmate goals will stand, illegitimate ones disallowed. And as we go on with it so it will become more efficient as we become more familiar with it. That won't stop, it happens at every level because it's human anture to 'have a ward' if you think you are being unfairly punished. I would like to seecards for 'VARing' and 'carding' though, with yellow for players and red for coaches who do it. End it immediately
If you chest bumped a ref in rugby there would be hell on. Not only would you be dismissed you'd get a ban. They are really strict. Flip Van De Merwe got banned for 4 weeks (wrongly in my opinion) for pushing the ref out the way when he was blocking his way to the breakdown. https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/ex-bok-flip-gets-4-weeks-for-pushing-referee-20180529 I'm not saying I'd want that level of strictness but if the game has stopped and the ref is making a decision and you chase him round, its an instant red for me. Regardless of adrenalin or mistakes being made, its about respect. We seem to have forgotten what the word sport means. If they want clarification the captain only should approach the ref. Once its explained he should accept and move on whether he agrees or not.
I think VAR is a good idea in theory,but it is the standard of the refs at this world cup that seems to be the problem,why not have a panel of the best refs to take charge of Internationals and tournaments in future,they can get to grips with new technology and be used as a team,they're supposed to be professionals after all
Its encouraging everyone to look for the softest of soft penalties ..screaming for VAR whenever a defender gets within a metre of them Plus, its seriously ruining the flow. That said ..happy for it to be used to insta-triple-red the 'pepes' of the world and their bid for an oscar ...and the missed dangerous/leg-breaker challenges. (but this can and should be done retrospectively)
