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VAR debate - Do you want it gone or not?

Discussion in 'Newcastle United' started by Darth Plagueis, May 29, 2024.

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Do you want VAR to stay?

This poll will close on Feb 23, 2027 at 10:29 AM.
  1. Yes - Definitely. Even with it's negatives we're better with it than without it.

    56.3%
  2. Yes for now, but if it doesn't improve then I'd consider getting rid in future

    18.8%
  3. No. Despite it's positives it just hurts the game too much for me to accept.

    25.0%
  4. Not sure/See results.

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  1. Darth Plagueis

    Darth Plagueis Well-Known Member

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    Personally, I'm 100% for it. It is used incorrectly at times, but that's not the fault of VAR, it's the fault of officials.

    VAR helps get a lot of incorrect on-field decisions corrected. It does way more good that bad. There are literally offside goals ruled out correctly every single week. Sure there are poor decisions made by the officials but that happens with or without VAR.

    Blaming VAR for poor ref decisions is like blaming science for weapons of mass destruction. The tool was not to blame, it was how the tool was used by humans.

    I personally want it left in, even if it doesn't get much better, I prefer it.

    People say it kills the game, like the game Coventry almost won via a last minute 4th goal, which would have stood without VAR and been an amazing moment... but on reflection we would have realised that the wrong team ****ing won because it was an offside goal wrongly given!!!
     
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  2. Charlie Dogscock

    Charlie Dogscock Well-Known Member

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    Want it to stay personally, so much is spotted by VAR that can't just be spotted by officials - ie very tight offside/onside decisions, red cards that might not seem obvious etc.

    There's been a few VAR **** ups, most obviously the disallowed Liverpool goal vs Spurs, but that can be corrected by having tighter rules and a better system of communication.
     
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  3. ToonArmy1892

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    Want it to stay, let's not go back to getting MORE wrong decisions.
     
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  4. ToonArmy1892

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    And it went against Liverpool so we can overlook that one.
     
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  5. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

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    There’s no option for No - get ****ing technology out of football
     
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  6. Darth Plagueis

    Darth Plagueis Well-Known Member

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    Why?
     
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  7. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

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    See the original thread
     
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  8. Charlie Dogscock

    Charlie Dogscock Well-Known Member

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    Result didn't mean jack **** to league placings, Liverpool would be in same place with 1 point more and Spurs in same with 2 points less. Likewise with the Arsenal bitching about the Gordon goal.
     
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  9. Rum & Black for 2

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    Should be an option of

    Yes but used in significantly different way.
     
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  10. Darth Plagueis

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    That could fall into the category of "yes but if it doesn't improve then would consider getting rid".
     
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  11. Rum & Black for 2

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    No, it wouldn’t.

    That suggests giving the current system one last chance. I don’t want that. It has to change how it’s operated/implemented for me to want it to continue otherwise get rid.
     
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  12. Darth Plagueis

    Darth Plagueis Well-Known Member

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    Wrong, because that option I gave implies it's not good enough but you're willing to put up with it whilst improvements are made.

    So you're not getting rid of it but maintaining it and waiting to see if it gets improved by changes
     
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    Nah.

    Not voting.

    :p
     
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  14. Darth Plagueis

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  15. G4rdToonArmy

    G4rdToonArmy Well-Known Member

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    This - it's so unclear what "clear and obvious" is. It's also difficult to understand how they finally come to their decision.

    The review process is a shambles and then you have apparently 4/5 panelists that thought the Amrabaat foul on Gordon was not a clear and obvious error? I mean the guy was wrong side, stepped on his Achilles with no attempt to play the ball, in the box - but that's not a case for the ref to even review his decision? **** off, then **** off from wherever you get to, then **** off some more, that's utter bollocks!

    Do away with VAR ref's making the calls for penalties and red cards - they are as incompetent as the officials on the pitch. Allow the managers to call for reviews instead where the ref has to go and look back at the decision and explain their decisions at the time then there's no of this ambiguity.

    Offside is the only thing it works well for currently but again they need to speed up the process to make the decisions - it's a yes or a no shouldn't take more than 60 seconds to figure out.
     
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  16. Rum & Black for 2

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    Also, change criteria to was it the right decision or not. Forget all this ‘clear and obvious’ garbage.
     
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  17. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Bin it. It's ****e and has permanently ruined the game.
     
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  18. Welshie

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    Yes but get rid unless there are serious changes.

    As of this moment, it's not fit for purpose due to the usual **** British bureaucratic nonsense.
     
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  19. Roland Deschain

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    Needs clarity, investment and a total overhaul. It should be time restricted to 30 seconds.
     
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  20. G4rdToonArmy

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    Exactly - was it "right or wrong" is a hell of a lot clearer than a "clear and obvious" mistake? "Obvious" means you could say the ref has got it 100% wrong but it wasn't obvious to him so his 100% wrong decision stands.
     
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