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United can save their season, but only if they sack Moyes now....

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    sku Well-Known Member

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    http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/the-hairdryer/united-save-season-only-sack-moyes-205313137.html

    "You have been the most wonderful experience of my life, but it is now your job to get behind the new manager."

    Those were the words Sir Alex Ferguson spoke to the Old Trafford faithful during his farewell speech at the end of last season, and so far the fans have responded.

    They were behind David Moyes when the Red Devils defeated Swansea City on the opening day of the season, and they’ve even been behind him during some truly low points – a 4-1 dismantling by fierce rivals Manchester City, and back-to-back home defeats at the hands of Everton and Newcastle just a couple of examples.

    But it’s now time they stopped getting behind their manager, because he’s the wrong man for the job - and the defeat to Swansea in the third round of the FA Cup is the last piece of evidence needed. The United board need to hold their hands up and admit they made a mistake, thank Moyes for his efforts, and part ways.

    Manchester United aren't a club to make snap decisions – they did honour the Scot with a six-year deal, after all – but, with over half of the season gone, a change needs to be made if they are to resurrect their shambolic campaign so far.

    There’s no shame in admitting defeat, which is what the club would be doing if they handed the former Everton boss his P45. Selecting a man to lead the Red Devils, to follow in the footsteps of one of the game’s greatest managers, was never going to be an easy decision.
     
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    There’s no shame in admitting defeat, which is what the club would be doing if they handed the former Everton boss his P45. Selecting a man to lead the Red Devils, to follow in the footsteps of one of the game’s greatest managers, was never going to be an easy decision.

    Many thought that taking on the United job after Sir Alex was a poisoned chalice, so you’ve got to take your hat off to Moyes who has conducted himself with the utmost professionalism, paying respect to a nigh-on impossible job. But admit defeat the club must now do, and they must follow in the example of one of their greatest rivals.

    The 20-times league champions would be reluctant to take any tips from Chelsea, but there are lessons to be learned from the Blues. Andre Villas-Boas was named manager of the London-based club in June of 2011, but the Portuguese manager – who cost them over £13 million in compensation from Porto – failed to impress at Stamford Bridge.

    After less than a year in charge and with Chelsea languishing in sixth place, three points off fourth-placed Arsenal, AVB was relieved of his duties. And it was the best decision owner Roman Abramovich has ever made.

    Assistant manager Roberto Di Matteo was placed in charge – a man whom the players admired and respected. The little Italian had just over two months to resurrect Chelsea’s season, though few gave him a chance of succeeding.

    But, proving his doubters wrong, Di Matteo guided Chelsea to FA Cup glory with a 2-1 win over Liverpool before collecting the biggest trophy of them all – the Champions League - making Chelsea the first London club to ever get their hands on European football's biggest prize.

    "But he was sacked after just a couple of months of the following season," I hear you say.

    And yes, you’re right, he was. But it still can't be denied that the difficult AVB decision provided the shake-up that Chelsea needed to spur themselves into action and rescue what was certain to be a doomed season, on domestic and European fronts.

    If the idea of attempting to emulate Chelsea isn't favourable to them, United would do well to consider Liverpool’s fate over the past 20 years. Then they may soon change their tune.

    "King" Kenny Dalglish, who had a similar iconic status at Anfield as Ferguson did at Old Trafford, resigned as Reds manager in 1991, with Graeme Souness the man selected to replace him.

    Under Dalglish Liverpool had been league champions three times and FA Cup winners twice, and had never finished lower than runners-up during the Scotsman’s five-and-a-half years in charge.

    But during three-and-half unfruitful years in charge of the Reds, Souness could only guide Liverpool to a highest finish of sixth. The manager was sacked midway through the 1994/95 season, and the once-great club have searched for a league title ever since. Liverpool’s first season under Souness was an embarrassment and he should have been shown the door, but he wasn’t – a fine example of a manager being afforded too much time.

    Sacking David Moyes may lead to a managerial merry-go-round, something Manchester United – who had 27 years of consistency, reliability and success – are not used to.

    But game has changed since they gave all that time to Ferguson at the start of his regime in the eighties.

    Sacking Moyes would be a financial burden but any compensation due would pale in comparison to the figures they would lose if they slip out of the Champions League reckoning.

    Consistency and reliability look to be a thing of the past, and if United wish to remain at the top table of English football, then they may have to swallow their pride and replace their man at the helm, because if they don't, years of mediocrity could follow.

    Joshua Hayward (on Twitter:mad:JoshuaHayward99)
     
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    Martinez transformation of Everton in the six months he's been there has underlined just how one-dimensional and over-cautious Moyes's management style has been. Ross Barkley has blossomed under Martinez and players such as Coleman and Stones are performing like never before. Why couldn't they do it under Moyes? Because he doesn't have any sense of adventure in him and would rather draw 0-0 than risk losing 2-3 (sounds familiar).

    Look at Wilfred Zaha, or don't, he's disappeared since Moyes took over yet United seem to have no cutting-edge. The bottom line is Moyes has won nothing in the 11 years he was at Everton, in other words, he's a loser...
     
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  5. Queenslander!!

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    Well said....Motes to me was the most over rated manager n the planet..

    I supppose as a cynic id ask..."If you were to leave your job today and recomend a replacement...would you recomend someone who was better than you,,,,,or mOYES ?!!
     
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  6. Eamon Holmes

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    Fancy Wilfred Zaha on loan anyone?
     
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    Man u aren't that good, they aren't getting 10+ points given To them by the refs either now. fabio would never have been sent off under SAF and all those dives would have resulted in pens. They are just sinking to where they should be until they get 3-4 top class players.

    Smalling, cleverly etc are not good enough. whos going to replace the ageing vidic and ferdinand?
     
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    Believe the same was said about Ferguson in his early Man United years. Very short term'ism.
     
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  9. QPR Oslo

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    It was Norway. But doen't mean the same applies now, or to Moyes!
     
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    That's true, but imo it would have been the same whoever took over. There was always going to be a lag after Fergie left. Moyes should be judged on who he buys between now and the start of next season and how they do next term.
     
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    Wouldn't surprise me at all if they do that. I suspect OGS is the man they want back eventually up there, but will want to see him get some PL experience in his Welsh training ground first.
     
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    They bloody well are. What should be worrying Man U fans is that even with 14 men against us we still only failed to beat them through bad luck.
     
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    Who fails to beat ManU these days?
     
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  14. GoldhawkRoad

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    Good call, and to give them their due, most United fans recognise that
     
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  15. RicardoHCAFC

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    6 of their last 8 opponents.
     
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  16. KooPeeArr

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    SAF guaranteed his legacy by leaving a desolated midfield (one that he could only resurrect by dragging Scholes out of retirement).

    Everton, in spells were playing some very good one-touch stuff last year so, when the chance arises (rather than having to play to what the purse strings can bring in) he can put on a show. Give Moyes time and he'll be fine but they may need to write off this season. That was always going to be the case.

    I can't believe anyone thought of using Chelsea's recruitment strategy as a positive. REALLY?!?
     
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  17. YorkshireHoopster

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    It's too early to say mate but then when have you not said what you really think? You're wrong about one thing though on at least two counts. Redknapp must be well up there for being the most overrated manager [o]n the planet. Not to mention Hughes who must surely regard himself, even if nobody else believes him, to be the best there ever was, and ever will be. Just sadly misunderstood by us all. If Moyes is given the time that Ferguson was (about 4 years wasn't it?) he will achieve. As Norway has intimated, times have changed and owners expectations are far too short-term for their own good. Ferguson must be mightily relived that he does not have to start managing his first really big job today as opposed to 20 years ago.
     
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  18. Queenslander!!

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    yep you are prob right yorkie,
    Moyes will not get the time SAF was given and certainly wont be allowed to get them relegated as per SAF.
    Mau UTD now are a massive global business and it will not be able to sustain the revenue losses that go with failure. it really doesnt matter whether Moyes is the right man for the job long term, facts are they need continued success NOW, not in a few years.
    he needs to win a trophy or make at least 1 final this season to have any chance of keeping his job.
    he got the current reigning champions ffs, have much changing does he really need to do?
    I cant believe that when he had his interview, the owners agreed to give him too much time.
     
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    if they sack moyes I hope they don't try and take our attack minded manager
     
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  20. BlindFaith

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    Yes but think he'll go to a Prem club.
     
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