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Unhappy Fletcher

Discussion in 'Plymouth' started by Plymborn, Sep 19, 2012.

  1. Plymborn

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    Fletcher is unhappy that a section of the crowd are criticising the players.

    Maybe it's the next best thing to criticising you Fletcher.......your upmarket dug-out is nowhere near the fans so they shout at the players who aren't in a hideaway hut like you.
     
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    Section of the Crowd????? He clearly only has hearing on one side of his head then. The shouts of "wake up" were everywhere and especially in the first 20 minutes. The calls are going to get louder and louder unless he does something positive to change things. People pay good money to watch rubbish. If it was in a resturant then they would send the food back and refuse to pay the bill at the moment. With the fare we have been given if it was in any other occupation there would be demands for a refund or a queue to complain at the desk.
     
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    It pissed me off..the play on Saturday first half started from slow play building up...yesterday was any thing not going forward was booed. These standard of these players are going to get nervous if they are heckled for not finding
    That perfect ball first time and will hoof it every time. People need to chill and be patient otherwise a good football playing squad will never come!
     
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    Sorry both but I know what I witnessed and it wasn't football by any stretch of the imagination. I am not normally a negative type when it comes to Argyle as others on here will testify but I find little to be optimistic about anymore. The team were exceptionally poor for the first 20 minutes and it was only that we scored, totally out of the blue, that it changed some of the mindset of watchers. But, this was a very very poor effort for pretty much all of the match. These people pay good money to watch a decent match and I do not believe they would not forgive some poor play. The fare however is terrible and if it was a Resturant they would not pay the bill for the food nor eat it either. Shouts at the players and the manager, because that was the main target of the crowd, are the only way they can express anything short of walking out and not coming back. Does Brent want them not to return? If he does then he is going the right way about it. Fletcher is so far out of order criticising the paying customer when it is patently obvious the performance is the thing at fault. I want somebody somewhere to do something about the situation before Rome has burnt not afterwards. Afterwards is way too late.
     
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    His point is that the crowd affect the players confidence. Players at this level are not capable of brushing booing off in the first 2 mins!!
     
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    And my point is that the booing was probably as much directed at him and his tactics as at the team itself. He is trying to blame the supporters and in my opinion deflect it away from himself. You need to remember that we have actually changed from being supporters or season ticket holders now to being customers and "members". If Brent wants to make it a matchday experience then it has to be a positive one and not the rubbish served up currently. He will find his "customers" talk with their feet and not by shouting at the players before long. Fletcher is way out of order trying to blame people who have paid good money when he has earned good money himself. The shouting started early because from the kick off Argyle could not produce one pass or thing that resembled football. It was truely awful. I did not and never have booed but I'm not going to condemn those that did because frankly they were entitled to do it.
     
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    Well we will have to agree to disagree
     
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    Fletcher is very nieve if he thought that they could serve up the same carp as last season and get away with it ..... to blame the supporters is laughable .... if it wasn't for the supporters he wouldn't have a team to mis-manage ..... why shouldn't people complain if they arn't getting their hard earned monies worth ..... would you pay for a meal if it wasn't up to standard ..... if you would bigger fool you. To the ones who are still backing Fletcher exactly what has he achieved since he became manager .... when he took over from Reid who made the comment "now you will see what a team can do when they are trained properly" ...... Fletcher I for one am still waiting and am showing you the same loyalty you should Reidy !!!!!!
     
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    I agree to disagree too.
     
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    I've said I don't boo and never have. I don't think it does any good either. What are people supposed to do if they are unhappy then? Stand and clap without actually having anything to be roused about? What they will do is not bother to go and then Brent will feel the pinch. I've paid for my season ticket. I refuse to call it membership. I would go anyway but would or could I blame a few thousand who won't anymore. If you got served poor food in a chip shop would you accept it if you complained that the owner told you it was down to you and your taste buds and not his cold fish and chips? No you wouldn't and Fletcher should not be blaming the crowd either who are paying customers. Would you ever go back again? Doubtful unless you were so pee'd you would eat anything. I am no longer grateful my club has been saved and no longer swallow this line about at least I have a club to support. That has been trotted out as a cover for rubbish product for too long now. We were in administration and we nearly went out of business. That isn't the case now and there is new ownership and that owner should make sure what is being served is worth paying for.
     
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    Thanks Mexijan. I don't think it's fair. At least wait until half time to boo a player for not scoring from every touch
     
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    And sensible, it's not about booing at the end of the game, it's about booing at every little touch and misguided touch. It has an effect.
     
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    They couldn't pass a ball GreenArmy right from kick off. What touch? And nobody booed anyone because they didn't score from every touch either. I've already said that I don't boo and never have but for Fletcher to blame people who have forked out £20 to go there and watch utter rubbish from the start.............well it doesn't surprise me HE as much as players got jeered. I've been accused regularly of being green tinted but christ your take is far more to the right of green tinted than I could ever be. Are you actually telling everyone that you were satisfied with last night? If you are I'm opening a cafe next week for customers like you and I will be dishing up disasters daily. Should make a bomb.
     
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    AND........the players affect the crowds response.......hence crap football = poor response.......Fletcher needs to consider what he has achieved in twelve months.

    His record last year was 26% win rate........this season one win in seven equals 14% win rate, does that require spelling out........and this season it is his own players brought in by himself.

    That to me is total failure and it is time that James Brent a businessman soughted the problem out.
     
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    YOU don't boo, but people do, I was wincing every time because it was unfair. The only time I was genuinely upset was when hourihane didn't make the obvious pass right by the final whistle. I will look again tomorrow, but am done tonight as I am enjoying student life! Good night.
     
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    If you can get hold of a match video you should watch the first 20 minutes again from the cold comfort of your settee. If you can show me one bit of the dish served up in that period that wasn't woeful then I will conceed. If you are still happy with it as you almost seem to imply then I really don't know what else to say. I must have been at a different game.

    Have a good rest of your evening GreenArmy. It's all about opinion which is why we have websites to express it on. As long as nobody takes themselves too seriously.
     
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    From the feedback I got the crowd where on their backs from about 5 minutes and especially Young sorry but you will never convince me that that is constructive or fair. As for them talking with their feet well if it the ones booing good bloody ridance IMHO.
    3 of Fletchers signings have yet to play (bar a couple of minutes) as for his record this season yes it is poor but better than we were last year or is that another fact we will decide to overlook. In the last few weeks I read a comment regarding Purse and Blanchard saving Fletchers bacon last season....he signed them for goodness sake!!! OK I get it Fletcher is to blame for:

    The new dugouts
    The injuries
    All financial problems
    Sacking Peter Reid
    Global warming
    Bad pasties
    Photos of Kates funbags
    The losing mentality that has dogged HP for soo long

    He can under no circumstances take any credit what so ever for the strengthening of the team, improved results, keeping us in the league or anything even slightly positive than can be gleened over the last 18 months.

    Nevermind sack him hang, draw and quarter the Welsh git then beat him with a wet kipper.
     
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    Darren Purse was brought in by Peter Ridsdales influence.....certainly nothing to do with Fletcher.
     
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    I'm sorry Mexijan when did he do any of the above ??? and how have we improved apart from just being out of the relegation zone at the moment .... when things arn't working the man just doesn't have a clue how to change things ..... infact he stands on the touchline as wooden as the dugouts lol
     
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