Unfortunately as we saw last year The buck stops with those at the top, And sad to say, in this case, that´s Adams N If all this rot we hope to stop But as we also saw when Hughton left Success is far from guaranteed, It´s not often that just one man´s at fault However much the wound may bleed Hughton was criticised both for his style And turning good players to poor, Adams on the other hand made it clear His emphasis was on to score The opposite ends of the football scale Where each could have found benefit, From the other´s philosophy, I would say To become a near perfect fit Many of the players still are the same And although the problems are not, I don´t see that we´ve progressed very far Enjoyment is still hard to spot After-match comments, we hear them each week Lamenting where we have gone wrong, But it´s becoming a bit of a bore Having to hear the same old song Goodness knows whether a change in this case Would be much better than a rest, Or, if that is the course taken, whether A new face will then pass the test Phelan´s appearance I see hampering The situation, I´m afraid, Unless part of the deal to bring him here Was a step up, should Adams fade But would he really be better, if so As boss, he is just as untried, If this was a mistake, as most here thought We may need more to stem the tide. OTBC
we has sometime at the top as usual such is followed by a drop but never fear because next year Norwich will again be the pick of the crop
Hope so jarold, but personally I´m of the opinion that if we miss the boat this year, then each following year will probably just be harder and harder.
With Neyul in charge I do fear, There will be no promotion this year, So tactically inept, Might as well Hughton have kept, This team is going nowhere ....
Good lord! - now I have seen it all, I never thought I´d get one of those out of you KIO, that´s certainly one for the scrapbook
I am just trying to be positive reality is to hard to contemplate, think we have blown our chances already
Yep, I think so too, Championship football next year and Ipswich will probably go up but we will have the pleasure of watching them get thrashed. IMO there will be a new manager before Christmas if Adams doesn't pull his finger out, would a new appointment improve things though?, is it just the tactics that need to change?
Surely the buck stops with Delia. Lets start a campaign to get her kicked out. We might be able to stop these stupid appointments from occurring again.
I honestly don't think I've come across someone as religiously fanatical as you, Carrabuh. Despite nearly all your assumptions about Delia being soundly disproven, you still stick to the same extremist mantra flying in the face of logic and fact. There is no devil but one devil, and her name is Delia - and all that, right? Fair enough there's no arguing with religious fanatics and so you're entitled to curse or worship as you see fit , but please don't campaign to have her burnt at the stake or beheaded. It's illegal. It's almost futile campaigning for a change of owner - just look at Leeds or Newcastle. Owners do what they want, they own it. While Delia and co. have undoubtedly made some dreadful decisions, it quite literally could be much, much worse. And let's not forget they've made one or two excellent ones too. While McNally is in charge I will be as fanatical as Carrabuh, more so than ISIS, that our club is being run well - mistakes will always be made, but it's not going to be a disaster. While I agree that we have really shot ourselves in the foot with this recent run, we are far from finished. There are 81 points to play for, so we merely need to be at least 10% better than everyone else for the rest of the season. Three straight wins and you'll see we would be straight back in the mix. With our squad, that's achievable, but with our current manager I don't know. I think that round about now is probably the best time to change managers - probably within the next couple of weeks. I would say we remain a very tempting option. Even with insisting that say Phelan stay on for the new manager.
Have to agree with Rob, I think a change of owner, if such a thing could ever come about, would just be kicking ourselves in the teeth. None of us can possibly know how much say she had in the Adams decision, if any, she´s certainly been far less vocal in footballing matters for a few years now, and I´d be tempted to cast suspicious eyes towards McNally for this particular appointment.
Lets start by saying that nothing has been disproved, quite the opposite in fact. The argument was she has got nothing back from the club which was total bunkem, she has gotten plenty back, exactly what she wanted. Secondly, her religion has very little to do with my opinion of her and I don't even know where this interpretation has come from, its certainly not the focus of my desire to get rid of her. Thirdly, people say the club is well run, I'm sure elements of the club are well run, the day to day things for example, the business plan etc. The element however that is not well run is the football side. We have had a relentless flood of bad managers at this football whilst she has been in charge and you can spot the ones she has had most involvement with a ****ing mile away, Rioch, Worthington, Walker, Gunn, Grant, Hamilton, Adams. There is a common theme and repeat of lessons not learned. Particularly the last 4. Hand on heart the only one that I'd say was a really strong, well thought out appointment that I'd give her credit for was Rioch. Walker made some sense but the rest where just total nonsense based whatever sense of logic that floats in that empty head of hers. I can understand some appointments even if they don't work out, Rioch being one, but some of the decisions this club has made have been of the worst kind. She nearly killed us off with this single minded stupidity. People seem so ready to forget this. For most of her time here the team has been either useless or struggling mid table side. The real people who have saved this club over the years have been a selection of players, the old youth set up (that she tore up) and Paul Lambert. She has been so lucky that so few have managed to bring so much success. She has not just made some mistakes, the worst thing is she (and her equally deaf husband) repeat them over and over and over. It fills me with dread where this club will be when she finally pops her clogs and floats off (or down).
And to comment on the thread title, unfortunately, nobody does seem to know where the buck should stop. Apart from me.
Nothing to do with her religion Carrabuh old boy, I was talking about your religion. I don't mean any offence I've no idea how religious you are, but a lot of your opinions seem to have very religious attitudes behind them in that you are very dogmatic, you can be quite crusading and you have a habit of ignoring where facts don't meet your arguments. That's not to say you're always wrong, quite the contrary. Just that you have a very "religious" attitude. I wasn't saying that your argument was own or lost, I was just saying that quite a few of your points were roundly disproven, but you showed no sign of budging your opinion. Apologies if anyone who is very religious finds my comment offensive, obviously there are massive disparities between behaving like a member of of the Spanish Inquisition and just being religious because you believe in a God. I was just trying to make the point that you can behave the same way about any opinion.
i don’t normally agree with carrabuh but in amongst the usual hyperbole i do think he’s got most things correct in this post, no matter how hard some of those points are to stomach for many fans i’m sure. ultimately, this time, the buck will stop with smith and wynn jones. in my opinion, this next six months is going to be the biggest and most important of the smith/wynn jones regime. get it right, get promotion with adams, phelan or whoever, and they will ride out [another] rocky spell. get it wrong, fail to gain promotion, stick with adams or mess up yet another appointment, and i believe they will be hounded out of the club in the summer, (or maybe before that) along with mcnally and bowkett. whether that is the right decision or not in both the short or long term may well prove irrelevant - they will have too many fans against them. the signs of an imminent fans revolt are already blatantly there for all to see - it won’t take an awful lot for it to kick off big time - and i don’t think any of them would survive it. smith and wynn jones have done good for the club, they’ve got things right, no question, but this time - if they mess this season up - it will be one too many cock ups. i fear we’ve got a very messy couple of years on the horizon unless somehow, anyhow, the club from top to bottom pull their finger out.
this is probably the most disappointed i've ever been as a norwich fan. i've seen far worse teams assembled than this one, and we've been through far more troubled times, but in my opinion, the route which we've taken at a time where we were still in a very strong position, and the consequences which could arise from it are nothing short of scandalous really. they've still got the chance to steer the club back in the right direction, and however they do it i don't care - so long as they do something, be it adams turning things around or a new guy coming in - but they really are running out of time now. i think the club (that's everyone, from directors down to players), has got until christmas to get the football club back on track or things will turn very nasty indeed in 2015 - and nobody wants that.
Super - whether or not you and carrabuh have a point or not, and perhaps there is a grain of truth in your comments, the chance of Delia and Wynn-Jones being forced out by the fans, which is what you´re both suggesting, is minimal I´d say. The fans will do what they always do, and push to get rid of the manager first, and then possibly McNally, I just don´t think there´s anywhere near enough groundswell of discontent against the Delias to oust them. Too many fans still remember the good and invaluable things they have done for the Club, and they count for more than some of the less than inspired decisions people are assuming they made. I´m no expert, and have never claimed to be one, but my gut feeling is that it would take a collapse of gigantic proportions before we´ll see any call for the Delias to go.
i think you'd be surprised by how many people now feel 'its time', so to speak, and it really won't take much to fire the flames. as i say, that may prove a wretched move, but there is definitely a 'groundswell' as you call it, and if this season continues its downward trend, then that groundswell will grow larger by the day. i'm now in a minority amongst my friends - they want change at the very top - and these are generally calm, rational people rather than the neanderthals you get on facebook or the like. but they've grown tired of the continuous line of gaffs and i can understand that. smith and wynn-jones have now reached the stage where you could argue they've done more bad for the club than good. i wouldn't argue that but others could, quite easily. the manager will go first if things don't improve, certainly, but they are now one bad call away from a large scale revolt. does anyone really trust them to make a good call? as i suggest, this could arguably be make or break if their tenure is to continue.
While I agree broadly speaking that they have made monumental mistakes I cannot for the life of me work out why people think they can "force" Smith and Wynn-Jones out. Managers, yes, players, yes, all these can be influenced by fans. But not owners. Owners, quite literally, do as they please. And as incompetent at times as they have been and continue to be, I maintain it still could be worse. And as for Smith & Co. doing more harm than good - that transparently can't be the place when you compare where we are now with where we were in 1996. I can see how you might argue that they've helped bring about some of the lowest points in club history, but overall they've made up for it. The fact remains that if we get promoted, which remains a possibility, in either of the next two seasons, then we will be well ahead.
