Off Topic UK / EU Future

[superhorns]

This comes against a background of Nick Clegg saying that he has reason to believe that many EU. leaders are ready to give Britain extra time after March 29th in order to either negotiate sensibly or to hold a second referendum. I would trust his sources more than those of the Daily Express. This actually makes sense, because most people on this side of the Channel want to see a second referendum in the UK. The reason for this is because it is the job of the EU. to protect it's citizens: and the 48% of remainers, pluse all those who have changed sides, plus all those who were too young at the time of the referendum are all still citizens of the EU. Nobody on this side of the Channel wants Britain to be dragged out against the will of it's population, or to have rights of citizenship taken away, and that is why the EU. will allow you enough time to change your mind. Frightened by the possibility of the way to a possible second referendum being made easier by the EU. the Express have produced a kneejerk reaction which is based on fantasy. Whatever you think of Angela Merkel she is a person who plays her cards close to her chest, and would never be stupid enough to say anything of this fashion, even if she thought it.

Well she obviously was stupid enough to say it, clearly not the only stupid thing she has done in the last few years. The German public have clearly lost faith in her abilities.

You quote the Express but the story broke on the BBC by a highly respected journo.

The decision to leave the EU was taken by the UK public, it has nothing to do with the views of foreigners.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

Published with MAC report: fiscal analysis finding that average EEA adult contributed £2,300 more to UK public finances than the UK average person in 2016/17; each extra EEA migrant will make average net contribution of approx £80,000 over their lifetime. The non-EU immigrant however takes £840 from public finances. This is the group that the government has always had total control over.

 

[superhorns]

You accusing any else of spite really is the pot calling the kettle black. You revel in every negative story which you can find about France, or any other EU. country. The highest level of spite is actually that you have made clear in many posts that you do not want the EU. to remain intact - can you think of anyone on this side of the Channel who has said they want the UK. to collapse, in the same way you have done over the EU ?

I would like the EU to massively reform to enable the reverse of German domination to take place and put an end to the suffering of millions who live in poverty in Southern Europe due to policies designed in Brussels.

 

[superhorns]

Published with MAC report: fiscal analysis finding that average EEA adult contributed £2,300 more to UK public finances than the UK average person in 2016/17; each extra EEA migrant will make average net contribution of approx £80,000 over their lifetime. The non-EU immigrant however takes £840 from public finances. This is the group that the government has always had total control over.

Thankfully after Brexit the UK government will have control enjoyed by most countries in the world without interference from an outside body.

 

[superhorns]

This comes against a background of Nick Clegg saying that he has reason to believe that many EU. leaders are ready to give Britain extra time after March 29th in order to either negotiate sensibly or to hold a second referendum. I would trust his sources more than those of the Daily Express. This actually makes sense, because most people on this side of the Channel want to see a second referendum in the UK. The reason for this is because it is the job of the EU. to protect it's citizens: and the 48% of remainers, pluse all those who have changed sides, plus all those who were too young at the time of the referendum are all still citizens of the EU. Nobody on this side of the Channel wants Britain to be dragged out against the will of it's population, or to have rights of citizenship taken away, and that is why the EU. will allow you enough time to change your mind. Frightened by the possibility of the way to a possible second referendum being made easier by the EU. the Express have produced a kneejerk reaction which is based on fantasy. Whatever you think of Angela Merkel she is a person who plays her cards close to her chest, and would never be stupid enough to say anything of this fashion, even if she thought it.

Nick Clegg

Anything that idiot says will have the same effect that Obama had on the referendum, the opposite.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

Thankfully after Brexit the UK government will have control enjoyed by most countries in the world without interference from an outside body.

Has the EU had any control over the non-EU immigration to the UK? We know they haven't, so why has the government failed to control numbers of this group?

 

[yorkshirehornet]

Watt would not have mentioned it on BBC unless it came from a very reliable source.

You still think the Russian murderers were lost tourists.

Well let's man up here shall we Robinson and Kuenssburg are both Tory supporters.....

This quote has been around for a couple of years... google it... just resurfaced as party of the latest posturing

Merkel is also quoted as saying that Germany recognises the pressing importance of coming to a deal.....

I must say you are really acting as a joker yourself with all these throwaway comments and jibes... .worthy of the tabloid mentality....

Well you do bring a lot of amusement to us on here...but I guess that is why you behave the way you do?

 

[yorkshirehornet]

I would like the EU to massively reform to enable the reverse of German domination to take place and put an end to the suffering of millions who live in poverty in Southern Europe due to policies designed in Brussels.

Facts please......

 

[colognehornet]

I would like the EU to massively reform to enable the reverse of German domination to take place and put an end to the suffering of millions who live in poverty in Southern Europe due to policies designed in Brussels.

After due consideration of the earlier text by Hornet-Fez, I can now say that I concur - it really is like arguing with the Flat Earth society, nay worse ! Just put France and the UK. together, their populations, their GDP. their payments, everything - would that not have been enough to more than balance out the role of Germany ? In fact any combination of 2 countries could do the same. But this would have involved Britain working together with France - and if your views of the French are anything like those of the average Brexiter, then it is plain to see why that didn't happen. The other point is - when did the British Government stick up for the interests of Southern European countries whilst being members of the EU ? Never if I recall - in fact Switzerland (despite not being a member) contributed more in financial terms. How strange also that you now align yourself with those countries in the South - I have even seen you quoting Varoufakis, quite forgetting how you used to speak about his ideas. But hay ho, villians can become heroes, and heroes become villians very quickly in the World of SH.

 

[HugoEkitikeN01]

Brexit migration report: 'No preference' for EU workers
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45556246

 

[colognehornet]

Nick Clegg

Anything that idiot says will have the same effect that Obama had on the referendum, the opposite.

So, having criticized someone for describing someone else as a clown - you now do something very similar about a leading politician of much experience, and who also speaks 5 languages fluently. Who is as much at home in French or German as in English, and is far closer to knowing what is going on in the EU. than you yourself are.

 

[superhorns]

Well let's man up here shall we Robinson and Kuenssburg are both Tory supporters.....

This quote has been around for a couple of years... google it... just resurfaced as party of the latest posturing

Merkel is also quoted as saying that Germany recognises the pressing importance of coming to a deal.....

I must say you are really acting as a joker yourself with all these throwaway comments and jibes... .worthy of the tabloid mentality....

Well you do bring a lot of amusement to us on here...but I guess that is why you behave the way you do?

The only joker is yourself tambourine man, you seem unable to get any facts right. Merkel may have issued threats before but this one was recent, ok, it is now outdated from last night .

 

[superhorns]

So, having criticized someone for describing someone else as a clown - you now do something very similar about a leading politician of much experience, and who also speaks 5 languages fluently. Who is as much at home in French or German as in English, and is far closer to knowing what is going on in the EU. than you yourself are.

He has been completely dismissed as a nonentity by the British public, you are out of touch.

 

[superhorns]

Has the EU had any control over the non-EU immigration to the UK? We know they haven't, so why has the government failed to control numbers of this group?

The UK has control of non UK immigration and will soon also have control over EU immigration on the same basis. Hopefully the post Brexit UK government will make much use of short term contracts and decide on the criteria to allow full residency.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

The UK has control of non UK immigration and will soon also have control over EU immigration on the same basis. Hopefully the post Brexit UK government will make much use of short term contracts and decide on the criteria to allow full residency.

Well if the control shown is similar as you believe, we will have a lot more coming from the EU.

 

[yorkshirehornet]

The only joker is yourself tambourine man, you seem unable to get any facts right. Merkel may have issued threats before but this one was recent, ok, it is now outdated from last night .

It was reported last night.... but go back two years she was stating the same thing... we just cant exit will all the prizes for no payment.

Can you tell me why you have to be so abusive?

The reality is if you were to speak to me like this in a pub I would struggle to give you the respect and time I give you on here.

EXPLAIN please your abuse of all, be they posters on here or politicians etc, that you disagree with.

 

[superhorns]

Well if the control shown is similar as you believe, we will have a lot more coming from the EU.

Yes, allowing unemployed, mainly the young, who have no hope of a job in their respective EU countries, a short term work visa to fill jobs is a good idea. It is much better than being on the scrap heap in Greece, Spain, Italy and France.

 

[superhorns]

It was reported last night.... but go back two years she was stating the same thing... we just cant exit will all the prizes for no payment.

Can you tell me why you have to be so abusive?

The reality is if you were to speak to me like this in a pub I would struggle to give you the respect and time I give you on here.

EXPLAIN please your abuse of all, be they posters on here or politicians etc, that you disagree with.

I would certainly recognised you instantly in a pub by your kaftan and beads.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

Yesterday JLR announced a cut to a three day week because of reductions in sales, although not in Slovakia. Today BMW are bringing forward their annual close down from the summer to the 1st April 2019 for at least four weeks. Honda also giving out warnings today about just in time deliveries as they are serviced by 350 lorries a day, and only hold stocks sufficient for one hour. It will create plenty of doubts for the workers about their future after Brexit.

 

[Hornet-Fez]

I did not at any point call Tim Martin a clown and you know it. I compared Boris to the resident clown in Wetherspoons - i.e. the loud mouths you find in every branch every day of the week. Not Tim Martin, not the man who owns Wetherspoons or any other combination that would imply it was aimed at him. . You failed miserably at trying to twist my words. End of

No, I simple asked you how many jobs had you created with your own money after you called Tim Martin of Wetherspoons a clown. Your backtracking was hilarious.

Like a true young earth creationist... twisting and obfuscating... ultimately projecting.