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superhorns said:
Tim Martin does not require special treatment, he will able to attempt to justify any call for migrant labour just like any other company. Short term contracts would be ideal. His non UK business is less than 1% with no openings in the EU in this financial year so a red herring. I find it strange that you think UK businesses should not trade in Europe.
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I think I see what you are driving towards. A mass of civil servants whose job it will be to deal with requests from all the pubs, restaurants, hotels, care homes, hospitals etc. to be allowed to have the staff that they need. Will they be given quotas as to how many they can employ during the course of a year, or will they apply on a week to week basis? If the former what happens when they have used their allowance up? We have seen hospitals filling posts for doctors, only to be told that they cannot have a visa, so the patients are the ones who do not get the care they could have had.
Your scheme has the makings of a state controlled economy governed by numbers that can be employed. I didn't think you liked state control.
 
oldfrenchhorn said:
I think I see what you are driving towards. A mass of civil servants whose job it will be to deal with requests from all the pubs, restaurants, hotels, care homes, hospitals etc. to be allowed to have the staff that they need. Will they be given quotas as to how many they can employ during the course of a year, or will they apply on a week to week basis? If the former what happens when they have used their allowance up? We have seen hospitals filling posts for doctors, only to be told that they cannot have a visa, so the patients are the ones who do not get the care they could have had.
Your scheme has the makings of a state controlled economy governed by numbers that can be employed. I didn't think you liked state control.
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We already have a system in place for non EU potential job seekers, did you not know? I will love the UK finally having control over the number and conditions for foreign job seekers once we leave the EU. This is far superior to us presently suffering Brussels control. No special treatment for EU applicants is still being promised, we will see if they maintain that stance.
 
colognehornet said:
Who heard this and when ? Details please. Or did you read it in some comic, and chose to insert it on here as fact ?
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Nick Watt the BBC political editor ( former Guardian journalist) mentioned it. His reports are usually extremely well sourced and accurate.
 
superhorns said:
We already have a system in place for non EU potential job seekers, did you not know? I will love the UK finally having control over the number and conditions for foreign job seekers once we leave the EU. This is far superior to us presently suffering Brussels control. No special treatment for EU applicants is still being promised, we will see if they maintain that stance.
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So combatative.. why on earth would people want to come and work here etc?

Seeing the mess the Tory Govt. made with non-eu immigration ...despite all their promises.. it is all another vote catching strap line...

we need immigrant workers... and even now we are turning them away..... crazy
 
yorkshirehornet said:
So combatative.. why on earth would people want to come and work here etc?

Seeing the mess the Tory Govt. made with non-eu immigration ...despite all their promises.. it is all another vote catching strap line...

we need immigrant workers... and even now we are turning them away..... crazy
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The above does not make sense.

You first state why on earth would people want to come to the UK then you go on to say they are being turned away. Which one is it?

The unemployment crisis continues in many EU countries, these people are desperate for work which their own countries are clueless about providing.
 
superhorns said:
We already have a system in place for non EU potential job seekers, did you not know? I will love the UK finally having control over the number and conditions for foreign job seekers once we leave the EU. This is far superior to us presently suffering Brussels control. No special treatment for EU applicants is still being promised, we will see if they maintain that stance.
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Of course I know about the system that sees doctors appointed to jobs, then being told that they cannot have a visa because the quota for that month has been used up. You do not however attempt to answer the questions I asked about how the system will work in future. Will a pub for example which often has a rapid turnover of staff have to apply to a branch of the civil service to obtain a visa for someone who they want to employ, or will the state tell them that the right number of staff for their business is "X"?
 
superhorns said:
We already have a system in place for non EU potential job seekers, did you not know? I will love the UK finally having control over the number and conditions for foreign job seekers once we leave the EU. This is far superior to us presently suffering Brussels control. No special treatment for EU applicants is still being promised, we will see if they maintain that stance.
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yorkshirehornet said:
So combatative.. why on earth would people want to come and work here etc?

Seeing the mess the Tory Govt. made with non-eu immigration ...despite all their promises.. it is all another vote catching strap line...

we need immigrant workers... and even now we are turning them away..... crazy
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superhorns said:
The above does not make sense.

You first state why on earth would people want to come to the UK then you go on to say they are being turned away. Which one is it?

The unemployment crisis continues in many EU countries, these people are desperate for work which their own countries are clueless about providing.
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I will answer your questions... .even though you dont answer mine

1) We are making working in the UK a very unattractive propositiion for those the country needs be they doctors or fruitpickers
2) The quote system and numbers limits the Tories seek to impose and have failed year on year to do are not workable... just political froth.
3) Visit the Balkans and talk to people...... these countries were oppressed agrarian economies for centuries until very recently..... then the agrarian economy collapsed they are doing what workers have done from all over the world ... seek to better themselves and thier families... no dfferent from you or me.... Think of the hundreds of thousands of Brits who emigrated to the USA Canads Oz NZ etc...... You have a real habit of denigrating others

Incidentally from the BBC this morning :

Last month, the Confederation of British Industry said net migration targets should be scrapped after Brexit and replaced with a system that ensures people coming to the UK make a positive contribution to the economy....
 
oldfrenchhorn said:
Of course I know about the system that sees doctors appointed to jobs, then being told that they cannot have a visa because the quota for that month has been used up. You do not however attempt to answer the questions I asked about how the system will work in future. Will a pub for example which often has a rapid turnover of staff have to apply to a branch of the civil service to obtain a visa for someone who they want to employ, or will the state tell them that the right number of staff for their business is "X"?
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I'm quite happy to let the UK government decide on the best way to manage employment. The Tories have successfully reduced unemployment to a 40 year low, in complete contrast to the UK's European neighbours who find it impossible to create any jobs. This shows the UK has a dynamism which others do not, it puts us in good stead for post Brexit.

I know living in France the bloated state is required to create non jobs to make up for the failings of the private sector, thankfully we do not need to resort to such desperate tactics.
 
superhorns said:
Brexit news: Angela Merkel said 'UK must SUFFER' in negotiations ...
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And the key words are ''Has been heard to say in private''. This can have no weight whatsoever until we know by whom, and where. The only person I have heard saying ''Britain must suffer over Brexit'' was David McAllister - a rising talent in the CDU. who was seen by many as a possible successor to Angela Merkel. As you can guess by his name he has dual nationality. He was severely reprimanded by the German government for these remarks, so it is highly unlikely that Merkel would do the same - besides which her English is terrible !
 
You can see immediately without having to open a link when it comes from the Express. Their use of capitals is designed to shout out the message.
 
colognehornet said:
And the key words are ''Has been heard to say in private''. This can have no weight whatsoever until we know by whom, and where. The only person I have heard saying ''Britain must suffer over Brexit'' was David McAllister - a rising talent in the CDU. who was seen by many as a possible successor to Angela Merkel. As you can guess by his name he has dual nationality. He was severely reprimanded by the German government for these remarks, so it is highly unlikely that Merkel would do the same - besides which her English is terrible !
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Is your message don't trust Guardian journalists? Watt would not have mentioned it on BBC unless it came from a very reliable source.

You still think the Russian murderers were lost tourists. :emoticon-0112-wonde
 
oldfrenchhorn said:
You can see immediately without having to open a link when it comes from the Express. Their use of capitals is designed to shout out the message.
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Obviously, the UK public needs to recognise the level of spite capable from the EU leaders who are terrified of contagion affecting the many EU member states who are becoming increasingly eurosceptic.
 
The Migration Advisory Committee has today published its findings on the impact EU migrants had on the UK economy. Its main findings state the UK should not give workers from the EU preference over non EU workers. It also recommends the government should make it easier for highly skilled workers from anywhere in the world to come to the UK. It wants to abolish Tier 2 visas.
 
superhorns said:
Is your message don't trust Guardian journalists? Watt would not have mentioned it on BBC unless it came from a very reliable source.

You still think the Russian murderers were lost tourists. :emoticon-0112-wonde
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This comes against a background of Nick Clegg saying that he has reason to believe that many EU. leaders are ready to give Britain extra time after March 29th in order to either negotiate sensibly or to hold a second referendum. I would trust his sources more than those of the Daily Express. This actually makes sense, because most people on this side of the Channel want to see a second referendum in the UK. The reason for this is because it is the job of the EU. to protect it's citizens: and the 48% of remainers, pluse all those who have changed sides, plus all those who were too young at the time of the referendum are all still citizens of the EU. Nobody on this side of the Channel wants Britain to be dragged out against the will of it's population, or to have rights of citizenship taken away, and that is why the EU. will allow you enough time to change your mind. Frightened by the possibility of the way to a possible second referendum being made easier by the EU. the Express have produced a kneejerk reaction which is based on fantasy. Whatever you think of Angela Merkel she is a person who plays her cards close to her chest, and would never be stupid enough to say anything of this fashion, even if she thought it.
 
superhorns said:
Obviously, the UK public needs to recognise the level of spite capable from the EU leaders who are terrified of contagion affecting the many EU member states who are becoming increasingly eurosceptic.
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You accusing any else of spite really is the pot calling the kettle black. You revel in every negative story which you can find about France, or any other EU. country. The highest level of spite is actually that you have made clear in many posts that you do not want the EU. to remain intact - can you think of anyone on this side of the Channel who has said they want the UK. to collapse, in the same way you have done over the EU ?
 
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