please log in to view this image Tottenham Hotspur host Southampton at White Hart Lane on Saturday 4th May 2013 (KO 15:00) in the 36th round of 2012-13 Premier League matches (35th game for Spurs). Spurs come into the game in 5th place on 62 points with Southampton in 13th place on 39 points. This will be the 180th time the two teams have met each other and the first time at the Lane since December 2004. Spurs and Southampton were two of England's top teams at the start of the 20th Century with the Saints reaching the 1900 & 1902 FA Cup Finals and Spurs going one better by winning the competition in 1901, thus becoming the only non-League club to achieve the feat since the formation of the Football League in 1888-89. The first meeting between the clubs came in December 1893 and the friendly finished as a 1-0 win to Southampton, Four more friendlies were played over the next four years and the first competitive match was played in March 1897 with Southampton drawing their home Southern League fixture 1-1 and Spurs drawing their home fixture 2-2 a month later. The clubs were regular opponents in both the Southern League and Western League until 1908, when Tottenham switched to become a Football League club. Those non-League encounters were usually hard fought affairs and Southampton had slightly the better of things overall. The first FA Cup encounter between the clubs came in January 1902 with holders Spurs held 1-1 in the 1st Round (today's 3rd Round) at White Hart Lane. The replay was also drawn 2-2 and a second replay was held at Elm Park, Reading with Southampton winning 2-1. The Saints made it all the way to the Final that season before losing to Sheffield United in a replay. Tottenham played Southampton four times during World War One in the London Combination and won three of those games to Southampton's one. The Spurs home games were played at Highbury and Homerton, as White Hart Lane had been taken-over by the army. Southampton, who were founded in 1885 started-out as St. Mary’s Church Young Men’s Association and moved to The Dell in 1898, joined the newly-formed Football League Division Three in season 1920-21 and won promotion to Division Two at the first attempt. They remained in the Second Division for 31 consecutive seasons. The first League meeting between Tottenham and Southampton came in September 1928 with Spurs drawing 1-1 at The Dell and winning 3-2 at White Hart Lane in January 1929. The clubs played a further eight seasons in Division Two prior to World War Two and Spurs won 9 and drew 3 of the 18 games played during this period. Ten games were played during World War Two with Spurs winning five, Southampton winning two and three games drawn. The first of three key player transfers from Southampton to Tottenham came in 1949 when right-back Alf Ramsey joined Spurs. The General would become a huge part of Spurs successive Second and First Division Championship winning teams in the early 1950's and play for England 32 times. Tottenham and Southampton resumed their matches in Division Two in the four seasons after World War Two before Spurs won promotion to Division One for the 1950-51 season. There was also an FA Cup 6th Round match in January 1948 at the Dell which Spurs won 1-0. Southampton won promotion to the First Division in season 1966-67 for the first time in their history and Spurs won both fixtures 5-3 at home and 1-0 away. The Saints kept their First Division status until season 1973-74. The second key transfer came in January 1968 when Spurs bought Southampton centre forward Martin Chivers for a then British record fee of £125,000. Spurs striker Frank Saul moved in the opposite direction as part of the deal. Big Chiv took a while to find his form, partnering first Jimmy Greaves and later Alan Gilzean but once he came back from a broken leg, he became England's finest attacker in the early to mid-1970's. October 1968 saw the first Football League Cup match between the clubs and Spurs won the 5th Round match 1-0 at the Lane. Tottenham were relegated for season 1977-78 and both Second Division matches with Southampton ended as 0-0 draws, the latter giving both clubs promotion to the First Division, along with Champions Bolton Wanderers. The 28 games played in Division One from 1978-79 to 1991-92 resulted in 12 wins for Tottenham, 9 wins for Southampton and 7 draws. During this period, the clubs met twice in the FA Cup with a win apiece and once in the League Cup with a win for the Saints. There were also two games played in the Screen Sports Super Cup, a competition which took the place of European matches for English clubs which were banned. Spurs won both of these games 2-1 at home and 3-1 away. Both Tottenham Hotspur and Southampton were founder members of the Premier League in 1992-93, but the Saints were relegated at the end of the 2004-05 season. Spurs had the slight edge during these encounters with 11 wins to 10 with 5 matches drawn. The very first Premier League game for both clubs was a 0-0 draw on 15th August 1992 at The Dell. A fifth round FA Cup replay in March 1995 saw an amazing hat-trick by Ronnie Rosenthal to give Spurs a 6-2 win. Southampton won the last FA Cup meeting in January 2003 4-0 at St. Mary's Stadium, which had become the Saints new home in August 2001. In May 2007, Spurs secured the services of the third key player from Southampton when Welsh left-sided player Gareth Bale was signed initially for £5,000,000 with an additional £2,000,000 paid in add-ons. Last season, Tottenham's Spanish attacking midfielder Iago Falque was loaned to the Saints, who won promotion back to the Premier League as runners-up in the Championship. The Premier League match at St. Mary's Stadium in October 2012 resulted in a 2-1 win for Spurs. Gareth Bale opened the scoring after 15 minutes with Clint Dempsey adding a second for Spurs after 39 minutes. The Saints second half goal was scored by Jay Rodriguez. Overall, Spurs have won 76, Southampton have won 58 and 45 of the 179 matches between the two clubs have been drawn. please log in to view this image Full History of Tottenham Hotspur v Southampton Matches 1893-2013 please log in to view this image They Played for Spurs & Saints.... Paul Allen Gareth Bale Lee Barnard Dave Beasant Joe Blake Kevin Bond (Saints player, Spurs asst manager) Tommy Cable Martin Chivers George Clawley Peter Crouch Ian Culverhouse Calum Davenport Alf Day Ally Dick Kerry Dixon Dickie Dowsett Jack Elkes Harry Evans (Saints player, Spurs asst manager) Iago Falque Tommy Forecast Alex Glen John Gorman (Spurs player, asst manager at both clubs) Alf Hawley Glenn Hoddle (Spurs player, manager at both clubs) John Hollowbread David Howells Doug Hunt Philip Ifil Ernie Jones Joe Jordan (Saints player, Spurs coach) John Joyce Kasey Keller John McConnachie Frank Osborne Tomáš Pekhart Alf Ramsey Grzegorz Rasiak Harry Redknapp (manager with both clubs) Jamie Redknapp Matt Reilly Ron Reynolds (also Saints scout) Dean Richards Graham Roberts Dick Rowley Neil Ruddock John Saintly (Spurs player, Saints coach) Frank Saul Graeme Souness (Spurs player, Saints manager) Archie Turner Wilf Waller please log in to view this image Tottenham Hotspur Premier League Player's Squad Numbers 1993-94 to 2012-13 Southampton Premier League Player's Squad Numbers 1993-94 to 2012-13 please log in to view this image please log in to view this image
Thanks THFC, out of interest with which club do we have the most "they played for both" players? Southampton must be up there, no? Phil Ifil's corn rows were quite something, a quick google search reveals he now plays for Kettering Town. A player who I thought had some potential With respect to the game, a response is needed from the club to today's **** show.
I was convinced we'd beat Wigan although I did post that we shouldn't under estimate them and get too confident and look what happened. I haven't seen the highlights or read reports but it seems that we did treat them too lightly. The same must be said for Saints,we must not get complacent. Our match at their ground was nail biting stuff. Home win but by how many I don't know.
I thought this would be our toughest game reamining, after Chelsea away, and whilst they lost yesterday I'm still concerned, they can certainly play football but we have to win, we just have to win. It's another rare Saturday 3pm kick off and another chance to keep pressure on our rivals if we win, we can't blow another chance like this.
If we don't get three points, we don't get CL imo. Not for the first time, we looked really out of shape vs Wigan. we were set up to play down the middle, where we knew there would be no space, but then kept spraying it wide to two players who cant really cross (walker & Naughton) then when they did get it, they had no one to cross too. when you look at the shape of the other top 4 teams (and Liverpool) there shape is much much better, more organised. We have been carried by bale, if he was not in the team we would be below Everton and probably liverpool because the team is too unbalanced, with too many average players that only turn up once in six games. It is very frustrating, as vs City (for 20minutes) and Inter (first game) we can be brilliant, but for 70mins vs city, 80 vs wigan, and the second game vs inter, we were complete ****e.
Not really fair on Naughton, put in a couple of good crosses, one of which Bale should have scored from. He also has a tremendous shot that we will reap dividends from soon. The concern is the fact that he so favours his right foot (predictable for defenders) and more importantly defensively.
It is this one sided-ness that means he is poor on the left. he has to continualy cut in, which ruins the flow of our attacks. He is also frequently off balance, as he tends to tackle with his right foot. Benny is not perfect, but he is a better option imo. That is not to say KN shouldn't be a good squady, especially if Rose comes back. Rose and Naughton supporting Benny and Walker is fine. Especially if it means we can strengthen in more vital areas as previously mentioned. If we win our three games and draw at Chelsea I think that will be enough.
Disagree. 72 points won't be enough IMO. Arsenal win their remaining 3 and Chelsea win 2 draw 2 then that won't be enough. You need to win all your remaining games starting here. Southampton have gone off the boil and are without key players so you should win comfortably. You need to keep yourself in touching distance by the time you play us. After that game, we will pretty much know who will get top 4 and who won't.
One season we stopped City by beating them. The season after they stopped us by beating us. You stopped us last season by winning it. This season we might stop you. It's already been mentioned.
That might be the case but finishing above us is out of your hands barring a massive goal swing. You'd still need to win your games and hope for favours elsewhere. At least finishing finishing above Arsenal is still in your hands. The big worry is, QPR have thrown in the towel since the Wigan game and Wigan play Arsenal days after the FA Cup final so it makes things a lot easier for them.
We have to win this game. Win it and we still have a chance--though not a very good one. Drop points and we're done, barring a miracle. Would 72 points do it? It hovers around the fifty fifty mark for me. It's more than I expect us to have, though, I'll tell you that. Three wins and a draw against Chelsea? We're really going to beat three teams we should beat, when we have to beat them? I'll believe it when I see it.
Let's wait and see what the score is against Saints. If we just scrape by it will be no good but if we win well then I'm confident.
Yeah it's starting to look like a more steep hill now Arsenal seem to be destined to finish in the top 4. They got a dubious penalty from a non-corner followed by an offside clincher against Norwich, they played against 10 men for most of the game at Fulham, scored an offside goal against a hungover United and now they face a relegated and defeated QPR before resting 10 days to prepare for their game against Wigan, which is probably their toughest remaining game and to finish they'll be up against Newcastle who are awful but will likely be safe and have nothing to play for. I'm not trying to say they haven't been playing well lately but the stars are aligning for them too. We have to hope United beat you and give you a bloody nose too next weekend but it all needs to start with us beating Southampton, I worry it might be the game where we finally off the pace and with too little time to recover.
Do the teams which reach the FA cup final play better in the league in the interim period between the semi and the final? I remember reading that they do.
Yeah meant to include that. On the plus side though, Wigan will probably need to beat Arsenal, then again it'd be just our luck if this is the season they don't pull off their great escape, lose to Arsenal yet will still have taken 4 points off games against us.
