The continuing fallout from recent racist and allegedly racist incidents in the sport seem to be coming to a head and it seems that Tottenham hotspurs ground, been chosen as one of the battlegrounds. The Society of Black Lawyers (SBL) entered the fray after several Premier League players refused to wear Kick It Out t-shirts recently and now they're upping the ante. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20229332 I have read this and am starting to get worried for our game and supporters. For years Spurs fans suffered chanting and taunts over their apparent jewish links. they have taken it upon them selves to use the chant of Y*do, to show imo opinion unity of fans. there has not been one complaint from a fan or any other person attending at the ground. We as fans have for years sung about us Being Sheep shaggers, this after years of opposing fans singing it. No action was taken in relation to them singing it, but will the SBL start making waves for us and regular fans being kicked out or band from the ground for singing it. Just wondering what people think about the outside influence making issues in football which may or may not be there. Is it all getting a bit over the top or is it needed. interested in peoples views.
In my humble opinion the do gooders are always part of the problem and never the solution. I never knew there was a society of black lawyers in the first place. If there was a society of white lawyers they'd be screaming blue murder about racism. I think this society is in effect racist even if they don't mean to be. I don't blame the black players for not wearing the t shirts. Racism in all forms is totally unacceptable but I'm afraid to say it is prevalent in society and happens all the time in football. Like you say we and Cardiff suffer racist chants in nearly every game we play, I know we give it back to the English but two wrongs do no make a right. Society not just football has a problem. Too notch thread though TLF, thought provoking and very topical
I never knew there was a society of black lawyers in the first place. If there was a society of white lawyers they'd be screaming blue murder about racism. I think this society is in effect racist even if they don't mean to be. so fking true, they can give it but cant take it
The guy at the spearhead of this was on talksport the other day. Richard Keys asked him how about the talk at the time of a black players union, and asked how it would go down if there was a specificaly white union. His reply was something like "You've got one, it's called the BNP" The bloke sounds like a right tool
Bellends like that don't help at all, people like that are racists themselves. An attitude like that is highly detrimental to black players out there and leaves them fair game to the racist idiots like that knob doing monkey impressions last week at Chelsea. All they're doing with the kick out campaign is paying lip service. Kick the do gooders out of football and get some people in with some common sense for a change.
Banter and mild songs about other clubs have always been part of the game and 9 times out of ten the fans don't have a clue what they are singing about anyway......what i dont like is songs and banter directed to one person...I.E singing about Dave Jones being a child molester and monkey chants towards black players...these so called banter have no part in my view in the game and if caught should be dealt with.....Most songs with swear words is just harmless fun and a tradition in the game.....
I think the point about this is that the word 'Yid' is an offensive term for Jews, so it's up to Jews to determine whether they find it offensive, not the society of black lawyers or indeed Spurs fans. Spurs fans are saying that they have 'claimed' the word for their own use and are singing it in a 'non offensive way'. That is problematic for a couple of reasons. Firstly they don't own the word, the Jewish community does, for spurs fans to appropriate it for their own use is a bit arrogant and insensitive, given the history of the word. Secondly, if Spurs fans are claiming they are using it 'non offensively' then what is to stop anybody else claiming the same thing ? When in fact they are using it in an offensive way ? Spurs are not a Jewish club, they have some jewish fans, as do Arsenal, West Ham and Chelsea - all clubs that have been accused of anti-semitism in the past. How do you differentiate between an Jewish Arsenal fan chanting 'Yiddo' and a non Jewish Spurs fan chanting the same thing ? I think this has opened a can of worms personally. Ultimately the word 'Yid' is a derogatory term. You either say that everybody can use it or nobody can use it, as proving the intent behind it's use is always going to be problematic.
I think Piskies got a really valid point there. Glad to see that when it boils down to it we're all singing from the same hymn sheet
Piskies ok I remember the Arsenal games last season and with the exception of that bellend gog fan all the gooners were sound posters.
So do you think years of sheep shaggers from english fans is any different. we have put up with it for years. Also Swansea being promoted to the PL not the EPL, the abuse recieved by swansea fans over we shouldnt be there was obscene. But we have broad shoulders and have accepted it. I have served for 30 years as a police man. as a policeman we had the Police federation but the women had the Police womens federation. they also had the Black policemans society. but when asked what do we have we were told you have the federation. dont they represetant us all as do the pfa. I am fed up of this so called divide. i have spent 40 years watching foot ball and have never seen racism amonst the fans except once and that was watching Espamyol playing Barcelons. Never in our leagues. I have had enough of this football should be for everyone as it is. Not for politacl people trying to score political points.
I was never aware that any one person or group could own a word .... Concept is absurd in the context of this discussion. Trademarks are one thing, but "owning" a word outside of that framework is utter nonsense! This is part of the problem, which is that "we" don't stand up, point a finger at utter nonsense, and call it what it is. People that propagate nonsense should be ridiculed instead of being tolerated - through tolerance, such stuff takes on real meaning over time and before you know it you're standing in a whole lot of ****. Same goes for religion and situations where people impact public policy by attempting to shape policy based in one religiously based "moral" or another - this past election over here has been rife with such stuff coming out of the Tea Party people - aka American Taliban. I've taken to refering to such people as the the mythology obsessed because I'm tired of the word religion being used as an excuse for extremism and stupidity. I don't mind people being religious at all, but keep it private and out of public policy. Sorry for the rant, but I see this racism thing as taking on a life of its own with common sense being left shot dead on the side of the road. Of course, there shouldn't be racism, but bigots exist, always have, always will, and you can't legistate that out of people. And the amount of abuse us Welsh have taken over the years by the English cannot be underestimated. When I first moved up to London to live, I'd never experienced such a thing, and quite smart people thought nothing of it. Young and naive I was, but still you don't expect it, and the best strategy is to ignore it - you just can't beat the **** out of everybody especially when they're bigger than you.
Having read that article on the BBC Trundle, my view is that there should be stronger measures in the game to bring to book the players that are guilty, large fines are in themselves laughable to players that earn millions a year, so I would like to see some form of ban that was at least 8 weeks, that way the clubs losing their best players will start to take the issue more seriously, as for the rest of the suggestion by the Black association, think it's over the top. Hell if this is the way it's going to go, then I think that when the sheep chants come out at us at away games, we should either chant 'Your Racist Teapots' or 'You Germanic half breeds', I'm sure that will lift the profile of the issue wider, once it starts getting heard on MOTD! By the way the English can be some of the worst racist you'll find................
because they are the only ones crying, i get the shyte here as well, they give but cannot take and cry racsist
Its called respect whether its fans or players, no individual should have to take racist remarks or insulting remarks and it needs to be dealt with severely if caught making such remarks....
