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Today proves weve got decent players but a tactically ******ed manager

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by aratwithaspade, Oct 16, 2011.

  1. aratwithaspade

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    Boils my piss. Simple things that anyone can spot undoes alot of hard work.

    1. Elmo can't cross and rarely beats his man. He's like kilbane puts his head down and runs.
    2. If your bringing on a tall striker don't take the only crosser of a ball we have off the pitch.
    3. When after 5 mins the opposition knows your going to boot the ball diagonally to Elmos head agen and agen and agen u need a plan b.
    4. If your holding on for a draw don't take off the only player who can keep the ball and draw fouls to relieve pressure on the defence.

    Blatantly simple obvious things really annoy me. Some pluses. Richardson (for once) sess, Vaughan all let down by **** decisions by the manager.
     
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  2. Patthemackem

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    1) True
    2) Larsson has a broken toe, you try playing 90 minutes with it
    3) I saw goal kicks being punted to him, given arsenal didnt have many shots I don't remember that happening too much, but your point has some validity
    4) Vaughan, Sessegnon and colback both kept the ball very well today so you are chatting utter rubbish.

    Get off bruces back
     
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  3. Schwerer Gustav

    Schwerer Gustav Well-Known Member

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    "Players lose you games, not tactics. There's so much crap talked about tactics by people who barely know how to win at dominoes." -Brian Clough.

    Words spoken a while ago who knew more about football than anyone who contributes on here - and that is a fact

    Cattermole should have scored.
     
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  4. Apone

    Apone Active Member

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    Get off bruces back?

    Thats fairy enough if your happy with 4 wins from 21.

    I'm not
     
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  5. Travelsick07

    Travelsick07 Well-Known Member

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    Well..bummer. Another loss.

    Objectively though, looking at the fixture list at the start of the season, this game wasn't one Sunderland were looking to win. However, 6 points out of 8 games is relegation form.


    How long do you mackems think your board will give Bruce to turn it around? In my view he's got another 3 games, to at least get a win and 2 draws or 2 wins. It's all fine and good sticking with a manager you believe in, but after 11-12 games you're well into the season and must have an idea where the season is going.

    I understand from reading this board and talking to people that the clubs fans are split on Steve Bruce's ability, and whether he ought to stay or be sacked, but objectively, I don't think anyone can argue that the results have been surprisingly poor, with very mixed performances.

    You convincingly got a good point at anfield, and emphatically spanked Stoke, but in fairness you were quite lucky to get a draw at norwich and vs west brom.

    I think this is a tough situation for all involved at SAFC. It's hard to see where the goals and points will come from. How many games does everyone think Bruce will get now? Or is he being sacked as we're posting about it?
     
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  6. monty987

    monty987 Well-Known Member

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    We lose to a poor Arsenal team this season yet get a draw last season, we were rubbish in the second half. They were there for the taking. The days of Bent and Jones are long gone now, how they would have loved to get at them. How long is this going on for?.Seemingly Bruce's job is safe for how long?, when we are propping the premier league up most likely. We need a 4-4-2 formation and stick with it. And talking of Kilbane he was better than most of these players we have, none of them come close to Nicky summerbee or Alan Johnstone. Why our free kicks so poor?.
     
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  7. aratwithaspade

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    The elmohammady situation really puzzles me he starts and finishes every game and we consistently lump it towards him never seems to work. It seems to be the only plan we have. Granted he scored against WBA but he's not good enuff. Would it not be better to have our current best player (larsson) in his best position put sess on the left and give ji a run in the team up top instead of throwing him and whickam on when chasing the game. Would mean we may have to pass the ball which is when we actually look like doing something or at least look like we may keep the ball.
     
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  8. General Klytus

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    Oh the irony... Who signs and picks the players?
     
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  9. Schwerer Gustav

    Schwerer Gustav Well-Known Member

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    The same players who beat Wolves 4-0?

    The same manager who has improved out position in the league for the two seasons he has managed here?

    He is two defeats away from the bullet imo, however he deserves a hell of a lot more respect than he is getting on this board from armchair managers who in all honesty - are not fit to lace his boots.

    I will always afford the Sunderland manager respect - as they will have earned a crack at managing our club - something all contributors should consider before using words like "******".
     
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  10. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    Here's hoping eh.
     
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  11. General Klytus

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    I think you might be referring to Stoke, but correct me if I'm wrong. Yes I do remember 3 of the goals against stoke that day were gift wrapped gems from above, keeper fumble on par with the best of what kelvin davies could offer, an own goal and a deflection that turned 90 degrees did help the cause.

    The same manager who has accumulated 16 points from the last 22 league games? The same manager that plays 3 defenders and 7 midfielders from time to time?

    The same manager who hasn't won anything, has walked out of two clubs, sacked from another and relegated Birmingham? I'm not so sure his pedigree is worthy of an appointment at SAFC at all.

    Infact, if he was a cockney or a foreigner, would he of been given the job based upon his resume? I suggest the only reason he was given the job is because he comes from the north east however unfortunately for the legacy of Sir Nialls dream, he comes from the wrong half of the water which only serves to accelerate the fans impatience. His appointment was a walking timebomb from the beginning.
     
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  12. bonnybobbypark

    bonnybobbypark Well-Known Member

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    No. He deserves no respect, This is his choice of a squad after 2 full years. I have been quiet on this for a while - even tried to be Bruce in. However, he has brought diddly-squat to the SAFC table. We are becoming a laughing stock. Who fancies a win away to Bolton next week? I dont.

    The man has to go.

    BRUCE OUT.

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  13. Schwerer Gustav

    Schwerer Gustav Well-Known Member

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    We have finished 13th an 10th under his tenure, that deserves some respect - a blind man on a galloping horse could see that Bobby - I'm sorry for you I really am - you will never be fulfilled being a Sunderland supporter - we are just not going to be a regular top ten team in the foreseeable future -that dream went when Bent and Henderson were sold by the board.

    Bruce was dead on the money with his expectations comments.
     
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  14. General Klytus

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    With the money that bruce had he should have had SAFC in europe this season... If he can only get 10th place with money like that, what are his man management skills going to achieve with less money?
     
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  15. Schwerer Gustav

    Schwerer Gustav Well-Known Member

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    And by the way, I still think he should be peddled if we don't win a few games soon.
     
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  16. MackemsRule

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    But only when you say so! <ok>
     
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  17. bonnybobbypark

    bonnybobbypark Well-Known Member

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    Win a few games?

    One would be nice.

    10th isn't the answer!

    7th, 6th, 9th - ok.

    Above that a bonus!

    40.000 crowds in a recession.

    World class training facility and youth programme.

    Generous American Chairman.

    Fighting relegation? F*** OFF

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  18. baz

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    We're 17th in the league.

    Out of the Cup.

    We've got midfielders playing as strikers.

    RW playing as LW

    A LB that isn't a LB.

    2 young strikers sitting on the bench,

    and :

    A manager who thinks that the only way to win is 3 -7 - 0. What sort of a tactic is that!!!!!
     
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  19. aratwithaspade

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    Even if I ws an armchair fan which as a season ticket holder Im not. How does that change the point I make? Bruce wont make changes until 15 mins after everyone can see the performance has gone stagnant or until we are loosing and when he does 90% of the time they are the wrong changes. He persists with players who are out of position or not good enough (as much as I like cattermoles energy and he looks good when we are playing well his passing the majority of time is awful. Richardsons a good squad player to have but is not a full back and sess is brilliant but up top against 6 foot plus centre halfs he must get so pissed off being asked to feed off ****ty knockdowns from elmo) all of what I've mentioned are tactical decisions taken by Bruce so in tactical terms the description ******ed is quite apt imo.
     
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  20. bonnybobbypark

    bonnybobbypark Well-Known Member

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    I think we're all singing from the same hymm sheet, but at the minute singing different songs,

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