to those filling the baords with article slapping down anyone who dares make comment about tranfers activity or lack there of...... you should make you you too are consistent in your message and don't end up jumping up and down in september about results... to those being pessimistic. its the summer its the off season and its boring, that doesn't mean the club revolves about you or press links either.... relax. Personally i wrote an article yesterday setting out my views. it seems you can't write soemthing without being pidgeonholed into one or other of these groups. So I'll state again, don't expect anything like a championship run or even 4th next year. we've an awful long way to go but are working towards something for the third time in 12 years. FSV have said as much. thats not actuall pessimism you know! sit back and enjoy the ride, only a month or so to actual games and the end of the endless itch that is close season boredom.
Oh god yet another "We're not allowed to have trust in Liverpool anymore" articles. What are you doing supporting Liverpool if you have no faith? Were you one of the ones who turned the TV off at half time at Instanbul? Your pessimism is that you are telling people not to expect "going for 4th," even our bloody rival supporters are expecting us to go for 4th, so why shouldn't we?! Have some bloody patience and don't come back and say "I always had faith in our owners and in Kenny" when they begin to win things.
the reason you have maybe been 'slapped down' is because your reality check wasn't needed. Saying we will struggle for 4th is as irrelevant as panicking over our 'lack' of signings. We have huge reasons to be optimistic. When you walk through a storm hold your head up high Hold your head up high, not play down expectations and be boringly pessimistic At the end of a storm is a golden sky We've just been through the mother of all storms. Look up stupid! Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart Hope. Pretty sure we're allowed that, and pretty sure that's where the optimists are coming from. We sing it every week, you should be aware of the club mantra by now. I'd much rather think that we were 3rd in form under Kenny, will have a £35million player like a new signing, and a full preseason for Kenny and Clarke to work with the boys.
liverbird well done. you've proved my point. It seems if ANYONE disagrees with anyhting its the kneejerk reaction. well done. really. honestly "faith" honestly guys..... was does this mean, blind plastic "chelsea" type reaction that the league is now gaurenteed? or am I not simply "realistic" in admitting our club, and i stress OUR, is simply not in the position to take the elague by storm in any way next season? Can i not admit that without losing said "faith"? come on guys its summer, theres a long way to go but even if 2-3 more players coming in the long haul of 38 games is something we've a lot to prove in. SUre i'm going to be delighted but you can bet your sweet back whatever I'm going to be consistent in saying i'll be suprised as well as delighted if we get 4th. are you lot going to be consistent if the first 5 games don't go swimmingly?
oh and comments like did you turn the tv off in 2005 just prove the point all the more.... as i wrote this article i fully expected to get exactly this reaction and i hope really you see why i find it very funny.... .comments like "We've just been through the mother of all storms. Look up stupid!" just reflect on those making them not me............... use of our anthem, on that STATES YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE to call a fellow fan stupid is a reflection on how you need to think about what it means a bit more. for the record mr Henry who is FSV has been on record as we all know that this is a 2-3 year process. I find that something to be "optimistic" about, again i say, "slapping down anyone who dares make comment" is in my opinion rather pointless. why? it blocks real actual debate, sharing of opinions, valuing others opinions.... cos to be quite frank liverbird and skertl's nips.... i have NO clue what your opinions are bar basic insults.... If you're up for real debate lets use this forum to do so.... resorting as plan a to insult that i've called you both on is not good. We're supposed to be liveprool fans, to me that and you'll never walk alone means something about being a community, a family club and so forth. That means I'd actually like to hear form you why you think you've got to attack people who differ from you. Is it because you're sick of the past 3-4 years.... I can certainly share that, I am too. Is it beacuse you want the best for our club.... so do i. I simply feel that on every past manager since kenny left instant expectations were created and people get let down.... i'm happy to see a 2-3 year development so long as that is not an excuse like rafa used progression as.
I will be consistent in saying 5 games is a small sample set to be basing big conclusions on. I believe that's been my attitude to the first few weeks of transfers. I still don't see anything resembling tongue-in-cheek. I also take a little umbrage at being told to "relax." I'm not the one panicking about not signing anybody yet and predicting failure for some time to come like a dumb wum who thinks he's Derek Acora. You relax. And tell us exactly what FSV said.
Sorry to spoil your fun Muppetfinder but you're not getting anywhere with this guy! When you can't even remember the 3 letters to call our owners by you are somewhat undermining your own argument i.e. who the **** are FSV? Telling me what to do and then claiming my response is simply an insult is the opposite of encouraging debate. In fact if we all adopt your ultra-cautious sentiment then why do we have need of debate anyway. The 'look up stupid!' is meant to be a joke, I'm saying you actually have it very good if you are willing to look at things differently. You want debate, i just disagreed with your point. Usually that is the start of a debate, instead you're so busy retreating on your high horse there's no one around to debate with. You're the one who has challenged other fans way of thinking, face up to the response.
I agree with that,I was told that I had too much optimism when suggesting that Kenny will have Liverpool crowned champions within 3 years.And this was from Liverpool fans.I was also told that I have ''blind faith'' Even though I have mentioned Liverpools flaws on a continuous basis.And I was extremely fair,and yet I have been knocked down on a continuos basis.I was also ridiculed for suggesting that other members of the top 6 also have flaws.Some of which are glaringly obvious. Man United have no central midfield. Chelsea are ageing. Man City are poorly managed. Spurs are leakier than the titanic after it hit the iceberg. Arsenal have to grow a pair.They are currently like Liverpool in the 1990s.Extremely talented,but have a soft underbelly and are spineless,and remind me a lot of a blonde bimbo,great to look at but once you've got past that...nothing.
So.... now the pedantic stuff starts.. ignore the point and jump on a FSV or FSG thing. thats not debating... so lets leave it there eh? the whole tongue i ncheek was a fishing line and the bites came thick and fast and i feel proved exactly what i expected, so there's no point just desending into a arguement. lets just try to have debate on this site cos it has the set up to have it. all opinions should be respected but the instant slagging when a new thread starts is an issue and this highlighted it. To kingpepe... i agree the other sides have flaws, nobody is perfect and yes some teams are far more falwed than others, as you point out arsneal have serious flaws. The fact remains looking at us and look at them we are still behind today, and adding 2-3 more will most likely leave us behind the 8 ball.... thats this window. theres a long way to go to be a top side again, of course we can get there and of course the future looks a lot brighter today than last year under G&H. that my whole point, it no good getting carried away with either nothing happening or thinking we can compete at the top either. I don't know when or where our money will be spent or how much, like i said the club doesn't revolve round me nor the press talk. I just don't see us being a finished article in august. Can't i sate that. so my next artilce on the main board will be my opinion on squad as it stands, but it will probably look closely identical to an article done just yesterday on the site cos that article was mostly everythign i also thought about the squad... I posted i agreed with it there.
I don't think you quite understand the point of a forum. You display your views on something, and the rest of the posters are there to agree and disagree. If someone disagrees with you then you should be adult about it and discuss, not make a new article slating the people who happen to disagree with your opinion. Nobody is surely going to agree with everything you say; but there are like minded people on this board, and the general consensus is that there are Liverpool supporters who jump on the bandwagon far too early. They were the ones calling for Rafa to be sacked January 2009, the ones berating him for his "poor transfer record," those following the deluded opinions of the journalists calling for Hodgson, the manager extraordinaire, to become Liverpool manager. Those same people are now saying we're failing in the transfer market because we've failed to sign more than 1 person, so what? Negotiations don't just happen over the space of a few days - sometimes they can take weeks, so what's to say we aren't doing deals for Messi, Mata, Alonso and Chiellini right now? Nothing (apart from Common sense.. why would we go after Messi? he's ****.)
erm.... i just demonstated the issue with this artcile... I respect differing opinions. but when opinions are actually insults as i called two people on then there you go. i wrote this as i felt there are severla articles getting the same treatment out there and its a common theme to do so... thats why i posted the artilce fully expecting to hear comments like i got. its a demonstration.. so to those who didn't like i worte realx, i apologise. ok? I like people to disagree actually as that how we all learn new things, definitely me included. I just posted this again to reiterate, my point is debate not just abuse, read the point made and anwer not ignore and go for your own agenda. My agenda writing this was to call attention to the point but i've not ignored what people have said, i've read each comment and responded. agree or disagree, call me arguementitive or what you will but you cannot say i didn't respond to everyone, back my side but see yours and defended myself. I personally totally agree on the point that we don't know until august 31 the full business we will do.
I have no idea what you're trying to achieve here. At one point you say you are 'fishing', to snare people you think will have wound up. Next you say you want debate but don't actually respond to the points made other than to be 'pedantic' as you say and pick up on the word 'stupid' and 'call people on it'. I don't really want to shoot down a kid (not sure how old you are no disrespect but you seem quite young to me) so i'll leave it there, but try not to patronize people by telling them how to conduct a debate and how to structure their own thoughts if you are then not prepared to debate those very things.
dr4 is right, i've used the term our club deliberately earlier as i recognise its our club. skertl's nips... I just made a point thats all... you called me stupid in your first reply, right off the bat. that was exactly the point i had. Dr4 is right lets just call it at that. Let me offer some "new" input as well. when i say i don't see us finihsing 4th next year that is not to say i see us struggling or playing dire stuff. on the contrary I am looking forward to more positive football under kenny and seeing us being more entertaining. I just don't think we'll compete at the top yet and just think i can say that as much as others say the other point of view. so here's to a better season this time than last and another step on the road back to the top.