I think it's time we went back to basics, realise what kind of team we are at present and build from there. In my opinion, we are merely a mid table team capable of beating the big four but on come a cropper against teams of a similar standing. I don't think it's a bad thing to admit we're a mid table team as we need to work from where we are and build ourselves back up. I mean, when Shankly took us over (Wait for the WUMS to scream 'History') we where a division 2 side on a constant slide. What Shankly did was admit we were poor and that he had a huge building job ahead of him. He battaled with the powers that be for transfer funds and managed to build a dynasty - I don't think we're at the same point but certainly feel we would benefit if we just accepted what we are and didn't try papering over the cracks. It didn't work out for KD but what he did was steady a sship rocking so badly it was about to capsize itself and sink! He got the team playing some pretty good football at times and I think that is the basis from which BR should push us forward. I think the grassroots are looking green at the moment and hopefully the lads can flourish and make us proud of the team once again - We just need to realise we are where we are and only then can we develop!
shankly convinced 2-3 really great players (eg yeats, st john) to sign up and promoted callaghan and hunt to the firsts. thats why shanks got off to a flyer. bascially if rodgers promoted sterling and suso and they were ready like schole, giggs and beckham were (they are not btw) and rodgers signed someone like javi martinez and higuin then he's also get off to a flyer.... the stars aligned when someone up there convinced our then owners to approach huddersfield and it all came together... can we really see the same occuring?
If you are going to evoke Shankly as the basis of your argument then you had better get your facts right. Firstly, by the time that Shankly arrived at Anfield we were indeed a Second Division side. However, each season in Div 2 we were always the bridesmaid and never the bride in relation to promotion. We were not "on a constant slide". I don't know how old you are but I will presume that you were not around then, however, all you have to do is look at the records to see that your contention is wrong. When Shankly did arrive he was very clear about his 2 objectives. Firstly to take Liverpool back to where he believed they belonged (at the top of Division One) and secondly to make Anfield a fortress. In order to do that he demanded that he picked the team, he signed the players and the board paid the fees. His 'battles' with the Board were soon over. If you want to look back to history then put Shankly's objectives next to Joh Henry's and try and find the differences. Liverpool never have been and never will be a mid-table club. Even our fiercest critics will admit that our points return last season did not reflect the quality of our play. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and presume that you are not a wum. But get your facts right!
Well said. We are not a mid table team. I think the OP kind of has a point that we need to build on what we have and look to having a settled side and manager but we are not starting from nothing here.
3 years 7th, 6th, 8th.... we're not quite there as we've europa in two years and a cup... but whats midtable? 10th, 12th? 8th? were spurs mid table when they were in the doldrums for years
Everything you post is negative mito. Are you wishi in disguise? It wasn't a great season but we have plenty to look forward to, just think if nothing else goes right we'll still have red nets, that's right RED.
please..... red nets.... if the ball goes in it'll be the nets if not its kenny's fault.... everythings negative if you want fantasy land.. op might be wrong but i just said two thinngs, one about some players shanks had and compared to what rodgers might have... no comments.... i say the real acts of where we finished for the past 3 years plus we won a cup so i'm negative... facts are facts good or bad
Facts are indeed facts but they are useless in isolation. To be of any use they have to be put into context so that they can become INFORMATION. From that point you can use them to make decisions eg. 10% of people in the UK live below the poverty line. Now there's a FACT. But if you don't understand that the poverty line is drawn so that 10% of the population of the UK will be below it, then you can't use it to make any decisions.
Fair enough on the second in Div2, but the rest is indeed fact! We are a mid table side whatever the critics say. Stoke can dominate a game against Utd or Chelsea but it doesn't make them a top four team does it?! We need to focus on where we are and where we want to be. We are languishing mid table and need to be in the top four - By realising this we take pressure from the manager and team, thus allowing them to work towards a brighter future. By the way I am 36 and have seen some of the best football played by Liverpool in the 80's but we are not the team we once were and this is what we need to accept.
The table (and recent positions over the past 3 years) suggests that we are mid-table team (I consider anything below 6th as mid-table) but we didn't play like a mid table team. We played dominating, aggressive football (for most parts) and deserved a lot more. I don't think the squad is mid-table - players like Reina, Agger, Skrtel, Johnson, Gerrard, Lucas, Maxi and Suarez are top class professionals. Problem is, it's rare that all of these players starts at the same time as Gerrard and Agger are injury prone, Lucas picked up a bad injury, Suarez's racism case. If we can have an injury free season to ensure the core group of players are playing a majority of the games, then I'm positive we will see a massive improvement in terms of results.
i again stated facts i didn't say lfc ate rubbish or ****e yet you call me negative... i can call you a few names if you want... if thats what lfc fans want to get off on fine...i'll call fellow reds all sorts then. i'll say it again, 3 years 7th, 6th, 8th it is not midtable as we qulaified for europe twice and won a cup but it is not far off midtable position... yet that doesn't make you midtable on its own... were again SPURS mid table was they languished for years without success. were they mid table when they sold berbaflop and keane off cos they couldn't eep their players? you decide.. but don't be a cock and call people negative cos they make a point that doesn't align with either the rosey in the garden view or the mid table view.
I made a little joke about red nets at the end to show I wasn't being a "cock". But if you want to be like that then fine.
don't call me negative, don't say i'm someone else in disguise and insinuate stuff then... thats acting like one when you know its not the case.
I think you are taking my comment in a way that it was not intended, I've edited it below. So as you can see smileys help show the humour in my post, I wasn't having a go. I'm usually quite blunt when I do, so sorry for any offence but I think calling me a cock was a bit much as my original post wasn't that bad imo.
