I think its hig time a few things were said on the current LFC form that the knee jerkers seem to be ignoring. First of all the game this weekend was abyssmal. mistakes were certainly made from the bench but one has to say that more mistakes are coming from the team itself. Lets just list down a few things we are missing here. 1. Daniel Agger. In my mind, and I have not changed my view at all on this, Agger is the real reason why we've been good defensively, not skertl. Skertl has been good sweeping up behind agger but with carragher in there we are a disaster zone. COates got a game, we still lost! don't go there guys thats a dead end. We've lost our defensive strength here. We need agger back as coates will take some more time to be truely ready for the fray (not long but still some time) 2. Glen Johnson. (and to a lesser extent kelly) We've lost our best attacking threat on the right side. People slate his defedning but the miss out on how good he is in general play and defending outside the box. We are missing him hugely. 3. Gerrard's legs. I am sorry but it must be patently obvious to the older fans who saw gerrard from his debut that this guy is just gone. A couple weeks ago I thought he put in a shift of work in one game. But aside from that and particulalry yesterday it was evident that he was a passenger, strolling about at a bare walk while others ran about trying to cover every thing. This has to be said he is a shadow of his former self. 4. Trying thiing tactically. Everyone on this site whoo's hammering kenny is on about him not changing anything. Well he just tried 4-3-3 like many wanted and he tried shelvey too, something i am opposed to on he grounds the lad has zero engine. You are damned if you do and damned if you don't in management. 5. 40 million net spend. If case the brain trust who spout that have not noticed 40mil gets you two players. no... not like newcastle lucking into players but if you are going out to spend big 40mil wouldn't get you a torres and maschernao any more... (23mil + 17mil at the time) they'd be more like 60-80mil now. I'm not going to sit behind my keyboard and delude myself into thinking adam, downing, carroll or even henderson are in anyway good enough but hey... rememebr this we had about 5 players last summer and now we've at least an 11 to depend on somewhat. 6. Sterling. Have any of the internet warriors missed the fact that he's barely 17, and tiny? I hope nobody was suprised he wasn't in a matchday 18 going away to newcastle.. thats a bloody big ask for a 17 year old. in the long term bringing him in over the next two months gradually will stand us in good stead. 7. Lucas. It doesn't really ened to be said how bad our midfield is. ............ so theres a list, not a long one but ther eit is. We are on a bloody bad run. The same manager who got us a cup is the same guy who's presided over a bad run. The same manager who got us from 18th to 6th and created the expectation is the same guy who has seen worse form that even hodgson saw... THAT'S FOOTBALL. I am not going to say that i was not upset that the tactical switches were not happeneing early yesterday. Shelvey needed to be moved forward earlier yesterday to see if anything could be got out of him. I was upset carroll got zero support, zero quality ball and got hauled off when it was patently obvious gerrard needed to go hide on a wing and just knock in some ball as he couldn't run in midfield. I was upset we were not skining gutierez every 5mins... But we all have to see the players are letting the side down badly. Carrgher is back in, that i'd critise kenny for, but skertl is making mistakes. do i hammer kenny for that? Suarez isn't scoring do i blame kenny for that? Everyone wanted a 4-3-3 with squarez in a supporting role... well there you go guys... he gave you what you want. The fact is our midfield is SO weak there's very little to be done. Kenny tried bringing in another player, he's dropped downing, he's welcomed back bellamy. He's stuck by gerrard who nobody is critising it seems but me. I'll make a bold prediction right now.... when the following team players we most likely will win. Doni Johnson Skertl Agger enrique Kuyt Spearing henderson Downing Carroll Suarez bellamy to come on as impact sub.
Good points. The Agger injury is massive because not only is he a good defender but he also brings out the best in Skrtel so it's like we've lose two top quality defenders. And I also agree about the impact Johnson makes. However, we know that these two players are injury prone. We need a top a quality defender to come in because Agger will get injured again and Carragher cannot step up and Coates will grow into the role. I join you in your criticism of Gerrard - no one will dare say a bad word about him despite our poor form coincides with his introduction to the team at the start of the season. Lucas, Agger, Johnson - once these players are back, the defence is a lot stronger and the foundation for the attack is set.
What is Kenny being paid millions a year to do then? with those excuses to protect me I could do a similar ****ing job. which of your points, if any, are attributable to the manager, none?? Get real. The buck stops at the manager. Always has, always will - It's just a by-product of being paid millions to manage a team
I am presuming here that you want a discussion about Kenny and the team and why you think Kenny should not be dismissed for our steady slide down the table and our woeful performances in the league. 1. The term "knee-jerkers" is pejorative and assumes that it was down to the last match or two. No, The performances have been appalling for months and if you needed reminding we have lost 6 out of the last 7 matches, the worst run in fifty years! So hardly a knee jerk reaction from us who want Kenny to go. 2. Injuries. Yes injuries do play a part but isnt this the reason why clubs have a squad? Liverpool have always had a good and strong squad. Whose responsbility is it to make sure that the whole squad is adequate and have players of sufficient calibre? The manager. With due respect, this is what distinguishes a club like Liverpool, Chelsea, Man United, Arsenal, Man City to the likes of Norwich, Swansea and others. WE know that there will be uspensions and injuries and we know that we will need squad players in. When injuries force the mancs to play their squad players, do they have 6 defeats out 7? 3. Aging players. Yet again whose respo0nsbility is it to make sure that aging players are dealt with (playing fewer matches, more support from younger players) and replacements are identified? Yes, you've guessed it. The manager. 4. Tactics. Have a guess who is responsible for tactics at the start of a match? When something is not going to pan, who makes a decision to change things? Yep. the manager. Kenny has in my view been very slow in changing things during matches. When things are not going well and players are not performing (Downing, Carroll, Henderson, Adam) they should be subbed promptly rather than wait until 10-15 minutes before the end. Maureen was very good at doing this for Chelsea. When a goal is conceded, he would act. 5. Buys. Who is responsble for the players who come in ? the manager. The state we are in is down to the manager. That is what he is being paid for. If you remove all the rose-tinted glasses and the sentimentality for Kenny and look at the picture objectively, then there is NO doubt that Kenny is doing a poor job. We can all blame circumstances but at the end of it all the manager must take responsbility. Kenny must go. Because there is no chance of us going into CL or getting relegated, I would say we should change manager during the summer. I would definitely not give Kenny a single penny more to spend. And has Kenny been flawless as a manager, NO he hasn't. He didn't a good job at Newcastle and was dismissed. He may have done a good job for us but that was 22 years ago! and even then some fans dispute whether any decent manager could have done the same as him because of the legacy that he was left with (best and experienced players, top squad players, recent titles) but let's not go there. I will only ask: has Kenny got any experience of turning a poorly performing and sub-optimal team into a top one? NO
Red... what is redknapp getting paid to do then? I am willing to bet you that mr gerrard is geting 4 times as many millions as mr dalglish. I am also 110% sure the job you.. or i.. would do would be far worse than agent hodgson did let aone the job kenny has done. which of my points are attributable to the manager.. i suggest you go reread then... I've higglighted just a brief lists of things people have forgotten as their knees jerk widly about. they want sterling to play.. i pointed out something o nthat. i pointed to gerrard and how the manager has let him storll about too much. i've pointed to players we are missing and players we've dropped. I've in short dealt with 75% of peoples critisms of our manager simply beacuse those 75% of critisms are plain wrong or spurious. Yet again i've have to point out that poeple ought to think a bit deeper before jumping on this bandwagon as it leads down a very bad road. Kenny is not without fault but if we start beleiving all the mischeivous media would tell us we'd put hodgson back in charge and try to win a championship trophy not a carling cup. If the BUCK stops with the manager then let him get on with it. If he's damned for changing formation when 50% of people want that, or he's damned if he does or doesn't pick a player... or he's dmaned if he buys or doesn't buy then whats the point? I'll add one final point people are missing. Cty hired hughes under the corrupt thai prime minister, the arabs left him in... wrongly. it took HOW long to change up some of that team? did they instantly win that FA cup and get 4th... eh no. LFC have had a bad 2012 so far but won a cup. gvien the club strucutre i would have to say anyone who doens't want kenny to resolve some of thse issues is going down the road spurs went down for YEARS. how many managers won nothing there? what has redknapp to show for 4 years in charge?
Carl.... to your point. I would like to make one point. I'd like contributors to not606 to t least think a bit more deeply about the situation before jumping to the conclusion that we sack the manager. Simply put if we start down this road and sack dalglish then i'm afraid no manager will ever get the time to make things better... period. The point must be not that we should not make a change but WHY are we calling for this change. If there's a very good reason (as per hodgson) to make this change fine I'm not going to be one of those rafa brigade that were so convinced no matter what he should stay. I just wnat people to think about ti and forumalte a position i could at least understand why they want any manager gone. some othe rpoints you made. lost 6 in 7... yup thats bad, very bad... again mr redknapp has done what? for months? I'd have to say i've not been happy very much since DAY ONE this year and was NEVER happy to see adam and carroll signed. But i can split their failures from the overall project. some things go wrong. How bad are city right now? I can see that in every game if we don't score in the first 20mins were are not going to win a game. I can see that clealry and am not happy BUT i sue the term knee jerk very deliberately as i feel that this is not a single year project, nor can it be. To be calling for dalglishes head after delivering a cup in my view is mad. you point out injuried, and also aging players... may i just point out our squad 15 months ago? please.... just recognise that bringing in players to replace the awfulness that was foisted upon us... and seeing players like torres and maschernao go as well. we can't repair it all over night... its just impossible. thats why its a multi year project. We have carrgher but bought coates. He looks great to me but needs to be brought in and learn the language. he'll be ready next season i think. Again i can name clubs who lose 6 out of 7, i can name clubs who didn't win in 6 until yesterday but nobody is savaging thier managers. Tactics, Again kenny has tried at least 5 formational changes this season 4-2-3-1, 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 3-5-2, 4-3-3. I'll state it again I'm very disappointed we don't seem able to play for a full 90mins no matter what he tries. I pointed out on another thread that he should have moved shelvey yesterday after 30mins but he didn't and i pointed out how bad gerrard was too.... we critized rafa for subs on 63mins every game. kenny's style is to pick the best 11 and stick with it. fine he's responsible for that style but sometimes i feel (like arsenal) when you are dominating, playing well and making chances guys scream for a sub for no reason. there are times i'd critize kenny for it and times i'd tell guys they're off their rocker. Finally buying.. hang on... that's one that nobody can possible say is solely down to the manager simply as there is a different strucutre at the club now than in the past. Kenny agreed the list, comolli got him who he could. again not happy at all with carroll or adam and feel downing let us down by being way off his villa form even... but hey we have to recognise the nature of the project. Another good way of saying it is throwing the babay out with the bathwater... as corny as it is this is precisely what is being proposed. I'm no happy camper here but i can see the road this leads down and it's a lot worse than backing a manager to improve things. Gave houllier 5 years, rafa 6... hodgson 0.5 (rightly) kenny 1.5? Who many games from august would the next guy be allowed beofre this cycle starts again. simply put we need to put the hard work in now (patience and backing) if we ever want the rewards. It might well not work out but the other road requires £1billion in transfers and just hoping like city.
Let's look at your points: 1. The term knee-jerk is pejorative and is meant to be so. posters like you come on and spout yet proffer no solutions. If your thoughts were really considered then at least some alternatives would/should be forthcoming. 2. "Liverpool have always had a good and strong squad" Where have you been sleeping. If either Rafa or Hodgson had left us with such then there would have been no need to spend in the way we have. Dalgliesh has had to re-build a new squad based upon (ideally) purchases and internal development. It is only by playing that squad that a manager can really see if the individuals are of the right caliber. It is only be playing that squad that the manager can see how individual styles can be tweaked or the system adapted. In Liverpool's case this process has been gravely interfered with by both injuries and suspensions. 3. At the start of the season we all believed this would be Carra's last season. However, as Agger and Skertl were playing well and cover was available in the form of Kelly and Coates this did not appear to be a major problem. We also hoped that Gerrard would return at something like the standard that we have come to expect. Sadly that has not been the case and only after the Christmas window did it truly become clear that we needed a replacement far sooner. 4. I don't know if you have ever managed a football team (except on maybe a computer game). If you have then you will know that whilst a substitution may give you an advantage and change things, it can also have the opposite effect. Neither you nor I have the experience to know just how fit those players are on the bench (psychologically and physically). 5. If you have looked at the statements from LFC or even at some other threads you will note that the responsibility for the purchase of players is not just Dalgliesh's. It is very clear that you dislike Dalgliesh as our manager. There may be better managers who will become available. However, if the posts that you made is the basis for your opinion then I believe that it is based upon very myopic ground.
Solutions to the present "calamity" 1. Sack the manager 2. Back the manager to recognice the issues and work to put them right. I would hope that FSG consider things very carefully, whats said on sky or in interviews is not the same thing as is said in prvate in meetings. Kenny may be saying one thing but in private i would hope everyone is saying the same things about how we need to improve and what to do about it. Again wolves are quoted as the only club worse than us, right now. in case anyone noticed they sacked their manager and got worse. not everyone does a sunderland and instantly improves. My greatest fear is becoming spurs or worse chelsea. they have both gotten away with scking manager after manager through a combination of mega bucks and luck. since ramos left spurs result shave picked up. god knows what model they will retrun to after redknapp. If we at least pick a guy and back him for 3 years we will get to a point where we will say ok things haven't worked out but we've not exactly wasted our time. Again a pot or two is good... converesly 35mil on carroll is not. £5mil of carroll no matter what is a stain on both dalglish and comolli's blotter that can't be removed cos its 35mil wasted. If we appointed a new many in the morning and we sold adam, downing or even say coates I could reasonable say we'd not lost money. I'd not include henderson in that as he's yuong and a u21 captain and has a future. Carroll on the other hand is a compelte waste of money and always was. But thats done and can't be changed can it. The rafa harker backers will quote great buys and i loved every great buy he made but he wasted a lot more than 35mil and made a lot more losses through alienating players. that time is past and can't be changed either. So either back or sack, no half way house come next september as wasting a transfer window is a sin. Backing a manager is a hard road but if you don't want to or think mourinho in 2005 just turned up at chelsea and won a title from nothing.. well i just think its a road to nowhere. What kenny CAN bring is good football, the knowledge of what it takes to win games and a drive to do so. What he can't bring is 20 players ready and able to deliver overnight. Tactically there are doubts. reina johnson kelly skertl agger coates enrique lucas henderson downing suarez IMO the like of bellamy was only a stop gap. unless gerrard is willing to go back out wide right, stand o nthe sideline and just cross it and take set pieces then his time is over. carraghers time is over period. aurelio is hodsgon's error and is needing a fix, adam is a flop fair enough.. spearing is just so average, kuyt is getting past it and you want him to be past it elsewhere (gerrard and carra have become that and are damaging us) maxi is past it, carroll is a flop. we could add another 7 players to that list of a squad couldn't we? but then... if we did that we'd not be in the place we are now. dalgish won a cup with that team... he had to bring in 7 players. bellamy, enrique, suarez and rgreat, henderson and coates are for the future but exactly what we all said we needed to do ala lucas and two flopped... thats LIFE! If we had unlimted funds i'd say oh fair enough we didn't bring enough in but we didnt have unlimited funds.
OK Let's both agree that the manager is paid millions because he has full control of the players, the squad, the training, the tactics, the performances. He won't have any control over sponsiorship deals and who cook the meals or wash the kit. You are right to question his tactics. I would too as he is responsible. If I own a club, and I do not get the results, I turn to the manager and ask questions. No body else. With some managers you know you have a fighting chance of winning the premiership. We have won all the Cups but the prem is the holy grail. With Rafa we all knew and sensed we had that chance. Sadly it wasn't to be. Nothing can be guaranteed because the competition is SO tough and is getting harder. With Man United, Chelsea, Arsenal, now we have Man City as credible title challengers next season. We didnt think that Roy could deliver and that is why we didn't give him more time. I have not seen anything during Kenny's tenure with us that gives us any hope that he will get us that premiership title. So why persist with him? And before we all say that we have won the Carling Cup, can I ask that we all reflect what the CC means? It just means we have won a trophy. Does this mean we are on our way to a title? NO. Does this by itself mean we are a better team than last year? NO. The reasons are obvious. Brimingham City won last year and got relegated so BC winning the CC didnt mean they were stronger. With due respect to Cardiff, if the CC was something the other top clubs were desperate to win, they wouldnt play their reserves or youngsters in it. I am NOT dismissing it but for Kenny to pretend that we have a better team because we have won it is simply not true. At the end of it all, the team plays to the tune of the manager irrespective of the players we have. Why do you think Man United win a lot? you could argue that they have the best players? the most expensive players? Not now because we have Man City and Chelsea picking up those. The reason why that team is always challenging for the title year in and year out is I hate to say it their manager. All the players play to his tune and his vision. If they fit in they play. If they don't fit they are out. What we are looking for is somebody like that and I honestly (like many others) think that this person is NOT Kenny. Some body (Bazray?) said yesterday we have back him or sack him. I wouldn't trust him with any more purchases, which you would need to if he was staying for another two years. In that case the answer is obvious.
If Kenny ends up making way for someone else so should Damien Comolli otherwise our 'new' manager will be saddled with a component of Kenny's downfall.
Shocked people still think this is knee jerk. Worst run in 50 odd years and a loss of 6/7 says it most definately isn't. Flowering over the problems won't get us anywhere.
carl, that is a good first point. who do you trun to and ask the questions of? very good point. so the logical next step is to ask about the owner. Are you a) roman abramovich who will go into the dressing room, sack the assistant, go to the training ground, bring ex cronies like shevchenko along. or b) the guy that wants to know where the probelms are and what should be done to fix them. My point is that if we fall into camp A we're done for cos we don't have the cash to live that world. I think if we are in camp B the vital point is that the questions being asked are the right ones. If I were in private as the woenr and kenny told me the players were tired or this or that then I'd be thinking he doens't have what it takes but o nthe other hand if he was telling me to my fact that adam and carroll have flopped and he accepts it and needs to deal with it thats another thing. ................. thats your first part i think and i think its ok. the second point that you've seen nothing to suggest we can win a title.... I have to disagree. 1. solid defense... unless we solely attribute this to steve clarke. 2. decent football with the players we have, and on occasion more than capable of competing with the best sides i would contend a lack of consistency and unfortunately a flawed playing staff means we only ever give a half of football to the fans. I don't like it but its a big isse. Your next point on the carling cup. there is no way anyone can say this is not anyhting other than the third competition in england. no way. That said i think its gone to a few guys heads in the playing satff BUT BUT this is a compeition with a trophy and a european spot as a prize. We won it and its not to be denuded in any way as a minor achievement. Arsenal would love it right now. we BEST cheslea and city to get it. Utd were raging they lost to palace, sides do play better team in this compeition these days and in the end we won it. if we denude our own acheivements then if only a league is worth anything.... what is the point? I would contend that no we are not a better side cos we won it, we won it cos we are a better side than last year. Your final point on utd is indeed well made, here's the thing. I can equally point to the fact that mr ferguson would have got the sack in 1990 if palace had won the final and not utd. build on success, breed the ethos... my point is the only ethos we can build by sacking manager after manager is that you can claim your pay cheque and keep jsut doing enough. I am firmly of the opinion that if we allow him 3 years we won't see any more andy carrolls. mistakes happen but you have to allow great men make great mistakes to propser. apple computers... jobs ran them into the groudn, failed in two company start ups.. in one pixar, they took off after his vision was removed but when he returned to apple he created a monstor. People can make mistakes, they don't mean the next move will be another mistake. Lord knows i've made enough myself to know that. plus its comolli and dalglish here so the next transfer list we sign off on and start working to make happen should be formed in the sure knwoledge that we can't afford that kind of error. I hope we see cos if we sack rafa we have to sack comolli and tear the whole club apart. so if you get your wiash i can promise you its a 5 year slog back to the top.
bow4fowler.. we lost 6 in 7. you tell me where its gone wrong cos i think i can see a lot fo the issues and they are fixable. we were 2 up v qpr and threw it away. wigan was pure annoying and to be frank we played with about 8 men v newcastle. my point again is we sound rather like some manc fans when utd lost 5 games at the start of last season or so. things will get better. All i want to hear is guys thinking a bit before they say the manager is not doign this or that and then when something is done then complain about that too. there are a lot of reason why we lost 6 out of 7 and amazingly not all are down to kenny dalglish.
Kneejerker. Steady slide? **** off. Perormances appaling for months? **** off. Yes, managers have to manage injuries. Few of them ever have to replace a huge swathe of detritus and blend a big influx of players within a short space of time just to satisfy the impatient kneejerking of alleged "fans" who should really just **** off. Our squad is an average year younger than it was. It's all very well to say it's the manager's job to manage ageing players (and isnt Gerrard managing his age better by not running around like a hedless cxhicken?) but it's also the fans' duty to give young players time to develop. Sadly the same muppets who got on L:icas' back (I'd love to see your comments from three eyars ago) now vote Lucas Player of the Year but get on the backs of young players like Insua, Ngog, Carroll and Henderson. Seriously, **** off. The stats of last season said over the course we'd have been 2nd or 3rd. There was no doubt then that Klenny ws doing a good job. Of course if we trawl back through your comments they'll all be saying the same as you're saying now, which will prove you're not just kneejerking and shouldn't just **** off. No manager is flawless. Not even Mourinho: he's ****e at buying mid-range players so FFP's really going to be a problem for him and he'll probably have to **** off. You should try that. The song says "With hope in your heart." You're hopeless. **** off with that simplistic kneejerk poison.
on a side note... anyone rememebr rafa's comments as he realised G&H were driving the club into the ground. he started tlaking not about winning things but about "increasing the value fo the club" the question has to be with some stuff where's the message going to? Is telling the world the players are tired a messgae to reinforce the fact kenny wante dmore players but didn't get them or was it really a slip of the tongue or a thoughtless remark aimed at annoying fans. As annoyed as i was at rafa i could see the game he was engaged in. I just wonder really what game kenny is engaged in and to whom things are addressed. Like it as not not all comments are for us fans, some drive an agenda all their own. For example if kenny says players were tired does that mean in private he's said 2 o r3 players are past it and need replacing for example?
All this "knee-jerk" stuff is as unnecessary as "deluded moron" There are some people trying quite deliberately to divide LFC supporters into 2 camps on each extreme. While some may hold these extreme views it's not everyone and I'd argue not the majority. My own position? Keep Kenny for his existing contract. It has absolutely nothing to do with being a Kenny Lover or thinking "everything's rosey" it has to do with not developing a culture that allows a set of players to hide behind a manager for their failure. To just say its always the managers fault is simplistic at best & if followed will not fix what we want in the timeframe some want it. No club that has done that from a bad position has met with success. I've watched Gerrard, our so called captain, visibly give up on the pitch under 3 managers now. And before anyone says the manager picks the captain I'm daring any of the current anti Kenny brigade to suggest they would not have been up in arms if he'd taken the armband off Gerrard. Like MITO I think starting a culture of demanding immediate success (and yes going on the state our club was in I DO think 18 months comes under the definition of immediate) is worse for our clubs long term future than sticking with Kenny for his allotted 2 years The risk if we do? One more year of pap. And that is only if this crop of ordinary players continue with this form which I don't think will happen. Evidence to suggest this i don't have; just believe a certain amount of bad luck, form & injuries in a specific combination/timing have to be sensibly taken Into account. Would these "if onlys" have made us League contenders? Not even close but we wouldn't be talking about changing managers either. To deny any of this is again a simplistic smokescreen just to win an argument on the Internet. Ask yourself what that actually gets you other than an ego boost? The risk if we don't? Becoming Chelsea before we even get to the position of 'maintaining success'! We become just another middle of the table club that fires their manager every 18 months. That's as much burying your head in the sand to the real problems as thinking "king Kenny" will magically fix everything. Exactly the same crap football under a different manager unless we hired Harry Potter to weave a magic wand over an entire squad of crap(argued on here anyway) but with a set of players believing.they are above criticism because sure; if we play sh*te the manager will get it not us. Now; should there be criticism? Yes, without a shadow of doubt. Should Kenny be hauled in and told a repeat next year is unacceptable: yes. I also think he needs to be told that the time for player friendship is over. The Senior players should be told they have until the summer to buck up or they'll be "retired" early. This years acquisitions should be told that they will be sold if they don't improve & that threat should be carried through if it happens. Thought should be seriously given to having a new captain. He too takes the wage & prestige with the role. Lucas looks hungry & still appears to have more desire during injury than Gerrard does on the pitch. Do I think things will be ok under a continuing Kenny reign? I simply don't know. Just like those who want him replaced can not absolutely guarantee improvement under any new manager. Each has it's risks and this is my argument for taking the risk on Kenny. I believe it holds the smallest risk to our club overall. I see nothing unrealistic or deluded in my position. I simply don't hold to a position where you throw people away for making mistakes without giving them the chance to correct them and I don't think one year is long enough to see if improvements can be made & errors rectified.
Lots of **** offs does not mean your message has got more meaning than others on this thread. You are one of many here so deal with it. The defeats are real. If you think that the last few performances were good then you are more deluded than i thoght you were. Do you give any reasons why you disagree with the points? NO all you say is **** off. Well done and well argued!!! This is the whole point about this issue with Kenny. If you dare criticise him, you will get abuse. This is how his supporters try to silence the club's fans who can see beyond one individual.
i think this thread shows the range of views. I find myself far more i nthe line of thinking of frank here. 18 months is not where the issue today lies, the issue today i think started out in august with a lack of goals and ability to play for 90 and has gone on for a long while, thats why knee jerk is not about 7 games. i think honeslty more and more guys are reacting to form since christmas though and i think if some marquee signing had turned up just perhaps some but not all of this would not be being said. i do think there is at some level a clear long term approach doing on behind the scenes though... I am not not critizing kenny i am merely asking that some deepr thought be put into whats gone on in each match
Carl are Kenny's supporters not 'the club's fans' also. 15 months ago we got what we wanted,are you saying you wanted Hodgson to stay or if not that you didn't want Kenny to replace him? He deserves all of our support until the end of the season when no doubt he'll stand aside if he feels its best for the club,if you get your wish and he goes today who will step in?,,Mourinho? If we beat Everton and go on to win the FA Cup will you feel guilty when you celebrate? You cant have it both ways.
I think he will get next year for sure to try and correct this, spend some cash in the summer on someone who can score goals and who knows maybe the downing, carroll, adam will start to settle. I hope we replace those whose time is probably up with us ( Aurelio, Maxi, Kuyt, carra to name a few) with fresh new faces eager to play for the shirt and that can contribute to our style, our philosophy of play and not have to take that extra time to bed into this new style and thinking. I still think Kenny needs the FA cup final though this season to ensure next, but the league we seem clueless at the moment.
