hi guys im as gutted as anyone about how today went and feel as though im thinking the same things week in week out about how the season is going, but we all need to regroup and that includes us fans when at the lane r around the country. the lane has been a bit of a fortress for the last few years, except the odd blip but this year hasn't been too great and we have two very important home games up next and we need to all stick together whether we like whats happening or not at the moment and i believe the following points should allow us to believe ad be positive for the future we have literally a spine of the team to come back...kaboul parker dembele bae caulker and to a certain extent ade (as not really had this season as yet), any team missing their spine would struggle let alone one with a new regime and ideas we have gone ahead in all games against the so called big teams this year and haven't really fielded our strongest eleven as yet avb is still learning about his players and is starting to make good choices after some mistakes we have money to spend in jan if needed the league is the most competitive its been for a long time and teams will have runs and blips and everyone will take points of each other redknapp wasn't actually doing any better towards the end of last season so lets stay positive guys and belt our hearts at especially at the next two games, our players need us more than ever at the minute, cos we are all spurs and we play a part too in our great club, its not all about avb and the players this is a positivity thread so anyone with anymore positive threads please bring them up COYS
I want AVB to succeed, I really do. I don't mind us finishing well outside the top 6, provided I can see signs that AVB has everything under control. Dodgy tactics and an apparent lack of control of the players (re Ade making stupidly reckless challenges in the first 20 minutes of the game) have not convinced me thus far that he is going to be worth persevering with, but I'll give him until the end of the season to turn me round.
dont think avb can be blammed in anyway for ade being sent off, players make silly mistakes, it doesnt mean the manager has no control roy keane, paul scholes have always made silly mistakes and got red cards but it doesnt mean fergie has no control over them i just feel it can be blown out of proportion cos its ade cos its avb and the bad press they an recieve
To be fair to AVB as tactically inept as he is he has been dealt a crap hand and has been unlucky with injuries, it's far too early to judge him now (although natural instinct tells us to). Spurs have never been a defensively solid team at the best of times but having seen them twice this season conceding 9 goals overall it is alarming how bad their defensive shape is. But any team with G*llas in it would struggle. Once Kaboul comes back Spurs will be taken seriously again, I've always thought he was amongst the top 5 CB's in the country
It is things such as his persistence with a clearly past it Gallas and a far too slow, and lazy Huddlestone, that give me serious doubts about this guys competence.
You are like a bloody stuck record and Modric and VDV did not leave because of Harry don't talk nonsense.
It should be a long term project and we need to give AVB the time. Just like Man U gave SAF time for his.
His 'plan' Luke is to turn Spurs into a league winning side like all managers would want to. With a new Stadium in the pipeline and a strong squad built over the last 5 years or so the top is where Spurs want to be. Whether he can do it and whether he can bring in the players he wants remains to be seen. Whatever it's not going to happen overnight but unless you have the mentality to try it you wont get there. Harry thought 4th was fine and Spurs had overachieved, Levy wants more. If AVB is the right man to do it time will tell but he has to be given that time having been appointed for the task. Spurs have not spent millions on a new training facility just to bring in 'old players'. Developing their own talent must be their target as competing in transfers with United, City or Chelsea is not at the moment a realistic option.
The next problem, however, will be keeping that talent. If we continue to under achieve - and as we don't pay top wages - it may become difficult to retain what we have in the very near future.
Hence the pressure that AVB is under and the high wages for the job.But this point also makes it clear that developing your own talent is the way to go. Man U., Ajax, Barcelona have all achieved greatness through this method. Other clubs like Southampton and West Ham have made a living by doing it.
AVB is under too much pressure - he needs our support as fans, not constant criticism. Any 'mistakes' he has made so far have been quite small. Thudd is his fourth of fifth choice in that position and his only real option is Carroll. Lloris v Friedel is a close call as is Gallas v Dawson and Vert or Naughton at left back. I still think 4231 or 433 is the right long term option or even 3412. 442 will likely score more goals against the weaker teams but if the opponents are playing with three strong midfielders it means Ade or Defoe have to pck up the opposition DM and they are not up to that role. Ade trying to do it yesterday was part of the problem. But given how **** Dempsey and Sig have been so far I don't blame AVB for trying it yesterday. Individual mistakes are costing us a lot and when we have the spine of our team fit - these will reduce. Third or fourth is still on. COYS!
I agree. Both with this and the OP. We always talk about losing Modric and VDV, we must also remember that King, Kaboul, Parker and Adebayor were also key men in our fantastic run of last season. They've all been missed and for the most part the squad hasn't been replenished to cover the losses. Caulker arguably replaces King in the long term Vertongen does in the medium term. Levy did very well here. Kaboul is a major miss from the squad right now. Gallas is not in the same league anymore but he gets played because of his mentality I believe. When Parker comes back, I see him taking over as 'leader' and AVB playing Caulker and Vertongen as a CB pair more often. Sandro does a great job of covering the destroyer position. Crucial to our team. Adebayor is clearly a big miss. The fact that he's out for the next three games ruins our chances for 4th spot IMO. Unlesss....... Dembele recovery will make a big difference to our shape. If it happens before the next match, we have a slim chance. On the upside I thought AVB did well to make us appear so dangerous in early parts of that match with a depleted squad. I didn't expect a win, what I wanted was to see us play like we could win it. For long sections of the match, we did. I was about to be an absolutely glorious match before the red card. Even for the neutral. The red card changed everything. We looked better as a team before and after the red than we did in the last 5-2 thrashing with a man more. If only we had managed to hold out until half time.... Also Levy must now realise the importance of buying the right players at the right time. We need options. Options got us champions league qualification. I blame Levy more than AVB for this outcome. Does any one else think that we should consider Kaboul, Caulker and Vertongen in a back three whilst Walker is having nightmares?
Interesting. First off this need to assess AVB after every game in itself is odd, I don't quite understand it. You don't see Norwich doing it with Hughton or WBA with Clarke. The fact is no matter who the manager is you can't legislate for what Adebayor did yesterday. You can argue why AVB selected him knowing his temperament and history in this fixture but even 11 v 11 it would have been a tall order for Spurs to go to Arsenal and win never mind 11 v 10 for that long. The worrying thing was not that Spurs lost it was the way in which they lost that was alarming. There was no attempt to keep shape or make it even remotely difficult for Arsenal. I'm quite certain had United, City, Chelsea or even Liverpool/Everton/Newcastle gone down to 10 v Arsenal there's no way they'd have made it that easy for them. The fact is we're only 12 games in, not 32. Man Utd will most likely be top of the league next week unless City win at Stamford Bridge. The league is so weak at the moment it's become inconsistent and almost anybody can beat anybody so things will change by the week. 3-5-2 is a no go for you guys. You'd be taken to the cleaners each week and don't have the players to play it. I still think when Dembele returns 4-3-3 is the best way to go for Spurs. It might leave you more open, but you'll create much more and be much better to watch
I'm feeling a lot better about AVB after the team he picked yesterday. Unfortunately, he can't pick the same attacking line up v West Ham, which is annoying, but I'll stay positive and hope we're now on the right track.
I agree. I don't assess AVB after every game. I assess the team. I do think the selection for this match was good all considered, that's why I'm saying anything. I also agree that 3-5-2 shouldn't be a go to starting formation but in situations where we need the option of playing with three CBs, we looked much better yesterday when we switched for example, I'd rather have Kaboul, Caulker and Vertonghen than Gallas Dawson Vertonghen. That's all I'm saying. Regarding the way we lost shape , this has a lot to do with the players on the pitch and the way they have been drilled (By the manager.). No? Without the creativity and guile of Dembele in the centre of the field we rely too much on Sandro to control the midfield. As well as he did, he can't do it all, even though he may try. Hence we lose shape. Hollow in the middle. This has been an ongoing challenge for spurs that was solved once when Palacios first joined us (Hudd was in better shape too.), again when Parker and Modric became partners, and again now Sandro and Dembele have an affinity. Hudd is only half way to being as quality in that regard.
I completely agree, the way you lost shape was unforgiveable and down to the manager. You lost a striker, not a midfielder or defender so shouldn't have been that open.
