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The Tories have wrecked healthcare across Europe not just the UK

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  1. QuarterMoonII

    QuarterMoonII Economist

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    While Laura Kuenssberg was desperately trying to get Rishi Sunak to confess to using private healthcare (why should he not? he can afford it and doing so frees up public healthcare provision for someone else), the Great Unwashed continue to believe the false narrative being promulgated by the Left and the health unions about the collapsing NHS being a British problem created by the Tories. Of course they happily ignore the fact that Scotland and Wales have the worst NHS in the country despite being run by the progressive SNP and Labour respectively.

    There was a long article in the Telegraph about healthcare in Europe. So I thought I would draw up a list of points made in the article:
    • Hospitals in Sweden are struggling with a winter crisis caused by respiratory viruses.
    • Hospitals in Italy are struggling with a winter crisis caused by respiratory viruses and a patient backlog.
    • France is telling people to wear masks indoors to try and cut the spread of respiratory viruses.
    • According to the OECD, health spending fell in the UK, France, Italy, Denmark, Ireland and Greece between 2009 and 2019.
    • According to the OECD, health spending was flat or barely grew in Germany, Spain, the Netherlands, Norway, Austria and Finland between 2009 and 2019.
    • The ageing of the population beyond 65 across the EU has risen by 3 per cent to over 20 per cent.
    • During pandemic lockdowns, the size of waiting lists across Europe grew as patients were not treated and early diagnosis/initial treatment fell meaning patients will begin to present with less treatable, more expensive ailments in the near future with worse patient outcomes.
    • There are shortages of doctors and nurses across Europe as more leave the professions than are training to start.
    • Spanish healthcare workers went on strike in November 2022.
    • French healthcare workers went on strike in June 2022.
    • German doctors were on strike in March 2022.
    • Many Spanish healthcare workers left Spain to go and work in France where the pay was better and the hours shorter.
    Of course, the Lefties will be up on the moral high ground denying that largely Socialist Europe is in terminal decline with the same demographic problems that we face. Our problems are exclusively the fault of those privateers, even if most European health systems are partly private and partly public consortiums.
     
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  2. Toley Fart

    Toley Fart not606's best fighter

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    The sooner it’s privatised the better.

    Shambles of a thing ran by poofs and mongos
     
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  3. pompeymeowth

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    I'm going to privatise Quatermong to BHS
     
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  4. Mick O'Toon

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    Thought they shut down?
     
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  5. As We Know

    As We Know 1 of the top judges in Europe

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    DUNCAN DONUTS SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR

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    We're going to be killed by Japanese sex robots aren't we ?
     
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  8. HRH Custard VC

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    Go look how its run/costs in the USA, you will be glad of the NHS then

    But if we ban poofs and mongs from using it, it will be fine
     
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  9. Toley Fart

    Toley Fart not606's best fighter

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    What does it cost?
     
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  10. HRH Custard VC

    HRH Custard VC National Car Park Attendant

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    Ambulance call out 1500 yank pounds
    1100 yank pounds per month insurance (average) for a family

    UK health care is way better than fat yank land
     
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    DUNCAN DONUTS SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR

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    Is an ambulance a health car ?
     
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  12. HRH Custard VC

    HRH Custard VC National Car Park Attendant

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    it is now
     
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    Kustard comes out in support of the NHS. What a surprise. I thought you would be with your Tory pals having Rees-Mong run it for profit.
     
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  14. DMD

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    :emoticon-0138-think:emoticon-0138-think

    He's only here to see if someone posts the relative costs for dementia treatment.
     
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    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    Why do people think they're entitled to free healthcare?

    Everybody else around the world pays for their health, but British people, primarily on the left side of politics, have an attitude of free, free, free. Gimme, gimme, gimme.

    I've watched the NHS pulled apart limb by limb over the last 25 year. It started with Blair dishing out his PFI contracts and the Tories have done nothing to arrest the slide.

    It's clearly at a point where it needs more funding than the government can or will pay. We (the public) could step in with small payments at the point of service. Not sure why anybody would argue with that? The alternative is to let it completely fall apart and then we'll be totally privatised. Good luck affording treatment, at that point.

    So, back to the original question... Why do you have an issue with making contributions to treatment for your health?
     
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  16. Erik

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    With a bit of luck!
     
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  17. monacoger

    monacoger POTY 2021

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    The NHS is a great thing in theory, but it isn't run properly, that is the main issue. Also, surely it isn't free, is that not what N.I. contributions go towards and also some other tax, among other things?
     
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  18. Mick O'Toon

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    monacoger POTY 2021

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    When next are you going to Nice? I might have a wee visit at some stage.
     
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  20. Mick O'Toon

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    I'll have a look at Easter but definitely July/August,did you have a word with your brother about tickets for the Scottish rugby WC match in Nice?
     
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