The Stupid Questions thread

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  1. genjigonzales

    genjigonzales Active Member

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    When you have a question that it's not worth starting a new thread for, but it doesn't fit into an existing thread, ask it here.

    No.1 What the hell is an inerter?

    Jarno Trulli's was dangling down between his legs during the closing stages of the Canadian GP. It has something to do with infamous J-Damper according to wikipedia:


    What is it and what does it do?
     
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  2. WestCoastBoogaloo

    WestCoastBoogaloo Well-Known Member

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    Excellent idea for a thread Genji! Now, to the answer to your question...

    Cosi? Where are you, you should know this!...
     
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  3. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    Well inert means still or motionless. So presumably an inerter would be a device which reduces vibrations to (or close to) zero. It could simply be a mass added to a moving to change it's natural frequency, and preventing it resonating. If it's added to a suspension system it may be to prevent the tyre vibrating at its resonant frequency, if it was flat spotted for example, to prevent suspension damage.

    I've never heard of one before though, and like WCB, I reckon Cosi would probably be best able to shed some light on it.
     
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  4. Bergkamp a Dutch master

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    it was dangling between his legs ???? hope he adjusted himself in parc ferme ?
     
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  5. Masanari

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    I thought inerters (in F1) were an extra piece of the suspension which stores rotational energy through a flywheel and reduces the oscillation that occurs with regular suspension and the wheel and therefore gives better grip. My understanding is a bit superficial so I will try and find more info on it.
     
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    Just found this which explains what an inerter is in F1.
     
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  7. genjigonzales

    genjigonzales Active Member

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    Thanks for that, Mifune. <ok> I think I get it. As far as Trulli was concerned, though, it was just a lump of metal hanging down and threatening his grandchildren's lives.
     
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    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    Cheers Mifune. <cheers>
     
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  9. Sportydan

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    Good idea for a thread Genji,

    Just thinking of a question , does anyone know roughly how much the teams get in WCC ranking money, i know it goes to 10th place.
     
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  11. genjigonzales

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    I'm not sure a complete breakdown is available - possibly it's in Formula Money.

    Total prize money in 2010 was $658m. Red Bull received (or will receive, I think it's still paid 12 months in arrears) $87m for winning it. That's 13.2%. Team Lotus allegedly won $20m, or 3%, for coming tenth. If the other teams received between 3% and 13% that leaves around 15% unaccounted for, which amounts to approximately the $100m Ferrari receives for taking part.
     
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  12. Sportydan

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    Thanks for that Genji.
     
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  13. cosicave

    cosicave Well-Known Member

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    Sorry I was late to this thread.
    However, I see that there has been some thorough investigation and that the answer to Genji's excellent question has already been provided: AbsolutelyGlorious came up with a brilliant answer, particularly if unaware of an existing explanation - as provided by Mifune's research effort.

    Great thread Genji, (as ever) ;) Top marks to AG: well worthy of 'Rep'.
     
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  14. Big Ern

    Big Ern Well-Known Member

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    nice one cambridge, thanx very much for using british tax payer money to invent something then license it to Americans to sell on for the profits. a bit like our pharmacuetical advances.
     
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  15. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    Been doing a bit more digging on the inerter and found some things on Scarb's blog:

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    I'm sure that's the bit that flew off Rubens' car in Hungary and hit Massa a couple of years ago. It looks as if it's mounted in the same place at least. The picture is of a rear push rod suspension, mounted to the gearbox.

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    The picture above is of the front inerter on a Ferrari, and explains how Jarno could've came to having one between his legs. :D

    And here's Scarb's description of an inerter:

     
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  16. genjigonzales

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    That's admirably resourceful of you, AG. Thanks. Pictures are so much better than wikipedia. <ok>
     
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  17. Kyle?

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    I thought this was called the stupid question thread, not the "really intelligent and interesting technical thread"

    If the inerter is similar to the mass damper, why hasn't it been banned? The mass damper was banned in 2006 after renault were gaining too much performance with it.
     
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    Because Red Bull aren't gaining an advantage from it.
     
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  19. DHCanary

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    I believe the Renault Mass Damper wasn't rigidly attached to the chassis, making it a moving aerodynamic device, resulting in its ban.

    And I agree with cowboy, this is a fascinating thread! I'm learning a lot.
     
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  20. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    It's funny you should ask, I've just found another article explaining just that: http://www.f1technical.net/features/10586
     
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